Tuesday, 19 November 2013

Comet ISON Update


A stunning telescopic image of Comet ISON as it approaches the Sun

As Comet ISON nears its perihelion on Nov 28th, I thought readers might be interested in what to expect in the coming weeks in regards to the actual physical attributes of this newcomer to the solar system. At the start of the year, ISON was being labelled by various media sources as the "comet of the century", due to an early outburst of activity as this comet approached the Sun for the first time since its disturbance from the Oort cloud approximately one million years ago. As the months progressed, and the activity of ISON stabilized, excitement over the appearance of this comet dampened considerably, and there has been ongoing concerns that it will fragment and disintegrate before it reaches perihelion, due to the heat and pull of gravitational forces from the Sun. The recent outburst of activity in ISON has helped to dispel some of the fears that this comet will turn out to be a dud, and it still has plenty of potential to put on a spectacular display in December, as it emerges from its close encounter with the Sun expelling large amounts of dust and gas from the melting ice of its nucleus. Given that ISON is a "sun-grazing" comet, and that its course will bring it perilously close to to the Sun, there is a strong chance that it will break up during perihelion, before the full potential of its display is realised. If it emerges from perihelion intact however, it will have the potential to be one of the greatest comets of the 21st century. During perihelion on Nov 28th, when it makes its closest approach to the Sun, ISON will be practicably unobservable from earth, and will not be seen again until it emerges from the Sun's glare in early to mid December, and theoretically, it should be at its most impressive state when it makes it closest approach to earth on 26th December - the feast of St. Stephen, the first Christian martyr.
If it does indeed put on its greatest display at this time, it will be tempting to link this the victims of the Boxing Day tsunami of 2004, that took place on this exact date, and which I believe was connected in some way with the Signs in the Sky that appeared during the turn of the millennium, and may foreshadow events to come:

“And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves, people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken".
(Luke 21:25-26)

In addition, it is also worth considering that Ikeya-Seki - the greatest comet of the 20th century, and one of the brightest in human history, occurred in the year 1965 - which we have previously argued was a date which is inextricably linked to the beginning of the Great Apostasy, which we can see in retrospect has taken place in the wake of the sexual revolution that has been precipitated by the availability of the contraceptive pill, bringing about not only massive changes in human society, but also an unwillingness to believe in a Deity who has revealed Himself to His creation and the moral laws such a figure requests us to obey.



Comet Ikeya-Seki, 1965

It will be interesting now to observe whether Comet ISON appears in the night sky as expected, or indeed if it disintegrates beforehand, since we are unequivocally told in the Bible that such astronoical omens herald import events which are to occur on earth, and as such, must interpret this as a sign sent from the Creator. Another interesting feature, which may or may not contribute to the appearance of ISON on earth, is the imminent reversal of the magnetic poles of the Sun, which scientists say will considerably accentuate events such as the aurora borealis. Whatever the case may be, this is certainly worth keeping an eye on....

62 comments:

Jamey said...

Thanks Emmett.

Not sure if you have seen the below clip the latest from ChurchMilitantTV with Voris raising the possibility of Francis proclaiming the Marian dogma of "Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate". Some interesting info on Our Lady of All Nations.

http://www.churchmilitant.tv/daily/?today=2013-11-19

Others (maybe it was Miltonic) have raised here before that the cardinals vs cardinals, bishops vs bishops as mentioned at Akita will occur when this dogma is proclaimed. All of this may even tie into this post on ISON.

Anonymous said...

Interesting Jamey about that Marian dogma. If the pope actually proclaims it, wouldn't that be a sight. I think the ecumenical movement will go bonkers. The prots, at least those who thought they were getting closer to the church in dialogue, would be stunned. I posted this on the other ISON thread. Thought the possibility could occur.

http://keepingitcatholic.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-great-comet-will-pope-flee-in.html

charles

Jamey said...

Man that article gave me the shivers Charles. I remember Carol saying ISON could really be Wormwood of Revelation - apparently the Russian guy who discovered it his name translates literally wormwood, and that often the comet will be named after the discovered - not sure if anyone else has delved further into this?

It is comical but eventually churchmen will have no choice but to be offensive to others. I personally know what it is like I find it hard to offend Protestants simply by telling the truth, we all like a certain peace and no conflict.

Emmett O'Regan said...

Thanks for posting the link to ChurchMilitant TV and Our Lady of All Nations Jamey. I would love to see a fifth Marian dogma proclaimed - it would be very prophetic indeed... It would be a great mistake if the Catholic hierarchy let diplomacy and ecumenism get in the way of Marian devotion.

That's certainly an interesting article Charles! But as you say in the other thread, it might be a bit too soon for the pope fleeing Rome prophecies to occur. I would assume that if these prophecies of the pope fleeing Rome are genuine, then it is related to the time of the Antichrist - when the man of sin takes his seat in the Temple of God. However some of the most famous pope fleeing Rome prophecies, such as that attributed to Pope Pius XI, are apocryphal. The prophecy attributed to St. John of the Cleft Rock is of uncertain origin, and there is no historical record of this person - if he did indeed exist. The prophecy attributed to St. Hildegard concerning the comet doesn't appear in any of her known works, and is most likely a pseudonymous work from the late Middle Ages. It also contains a few anachronisms, such as mentioning "colonies", when St. Hildegard lived well before the colonial age began in the 15th century. True prophets use the language of their own age.
But they are all very interesting prophecies nonetheless, and I'm sure that at least some of them will ring true.

Jamey, the name of one of the guys who discovered ISON was Artyom Novichonok. The name Artyom is derived from the Greek goddess Artemis, who gives her name to the wormwood plant genus Artemisia. However comets are never named after someone's first name - it's always the surname, and ISON would not have been given the title Artyom, or "Artemis", meaning wormwood. The other name it is known by is Comet Nevski–Novichonok, after both discoverers.
For the ultimate fulfulment of the Wormwood Star prophecy, I don't think we need to look any further than Halley's Comet, the last perihelion of which occurred at the exact time of the Chernobyl disaster in 1986. And the name Chernobyl really is wormwood, being derived from the Ukrainian word Chornobyl, which is used to refer to the plant Armetisia vulgaris - common wormwood, aka mugwort.

Anonymous said...

A quick question: I thought that Nostradamus was long associated with the New Age, and not at all with the Catholic Church -- even tinged with the Occult. Are his works taken seriously by scholars of Catholic prophecy?

Sr. Marianne Lorraine Trouve said...

Thanks for the update, Emmett! It will be interesting to see how the comet develops. A sign in the sky at Christmas time has to be significant.

Anonymous said...

Supposedly, Ison in early infrared images, was in 3 pieces (maybe 4). It was not discussed in scientific circles. Now with the "wings" of Ison beginning to show (like a snow angel), wouldn't it be something for the comet if it holds, to be shaped like a cross on Christmas (the tail can be the elongated part)? Think people wouldn't take that as a sign? I certainly would.

KP said...

Hey all,

As a fairly recent convert, I'm interested in this 5th Marian dogma. I think I understand it and don't object to it. I'm wondering what Our Lady of All Nations said about it, and how it ties in with prophecy? What is supposed to happen with the proclamation of the dogma? What happens after?

I think I've read this before, but I forget.

mariana said...

Our Lady of All Nations is an unbelievable apparition. Her prophecies were intense. She even prophesied Vatican II. "Our Lady's call in the March 20, 1953 message for a greater social outlook for the Church was not only incorporated by Vatican II, but also her concern for the need for socially oriented movements to be as much as possible brought under the guidance of the Church. In the August 29, 1945 message, Our Lady stressed that socialization, as it is called, is not without its dangers, but brings many advantages for the strengthening and betterment of human qualities and for the protection of human rights." She also said, events that will bring about the triumph of the Immaculate Heart, will be the declaration of the final Marian dogma. The world would be saved by the Holy Spirit.

Anonymous said...

Hi Mariana and KP,
I would be very careful with the devotion to Our Lady of All Nations. Please do some research as much that was alleged to have been said to the seer is heretical. A good starting point is here: http://www.catholicplanet.com/apparitions/false01.htm
God bless
Michael

Emmett O'Regan said...

Anon 1 - Given his dabbling with the occult, Nostradamus almost certainly received his visions from a demonic source. So anyone who follows the writings of Nostradamus to the letter are going to be led astray. However, following luminaries such as St. Thomas Aquinas, Catholic theologians acknowledge that even pagans are capable of genuine prophecy. Just look at the Messianic star prophecy made by the wicked Baalam, or the High Priest Caiaphas' prophetic insight that Jesus must die for the sake of the nation. The fact that even pagans and evil people can issue genuine prophecies would extend to cover the likes of Nostradamus. The danger in following such prophecies is that the truth is mixed with lies - which is why it is best to stick to Church approved private revelations.

Anonymous said...

I don't know much about the Amsterdam apparition but I'm pretty sure Ron Conte, the owner of catholicplanet.com is not recognized by the local bishop. He is a self proclaimed theologian with no accreditation.

charles

Emmett O'Regan said...

Ron Conte tends to disapprove of any private revelation which does not fit in with his own personal chronology of the end-times - which he dates far into the future. Rather ironically, a lot of his chronology is based on the bogus Great Monarch prophecies found in Yved Dupont's booklet. While some of his research into alleged visionaries is sound, his conclusions are largely driven by his chronological preconceptions.
As to the "Church Approved" status of Our Lady of All Nations - although it is approved at the diocesan level, mention of it was conspicuously absent in Card. Bertone's list of the Church Approved Marian apparitions in his book The Last Secret of Fatima (p10-11).

Anonymous said...

Interesting Emmett. So is there still debate about the authenticity? For instance, UnityPublishing.com says it is problematic while EWTN says only that a particular prayer was the issue.

charles

Anonymous said...

Emmett, it is very important to acknowledge that 'even pagans are capable of genuine prophecy..'.

Hence I think that not enough weight is being given to the chilling Mayan prophecy related to December 2012, about the return/enthronement of the 'winged serpent', particularly in regard to the events which have unfolded since then.

Anonymous said...

Hi Emmett,
Charles said "
I don't know much about the Amsterdam apparition but I'm pretty sure Ron Conte, the owner of catholicplanet.com is not recognized by the local bishop. He is a self proclaimed theologian with no accreditation. "
Emmett, show them your accreditation. I am being facetious, sorry. The reference to his blog was meant to be a starting point. He does point out the obvious departures from accepted apparitions. From my reading I can recall that two bishops discounted Our Lady of All Nations before the third gave local approval. Other sources also make comment on more of the content of the dialogue between 'The Lady' and Ida Peederman which was very disturbing, indeed.
I can also recall a connection with that exorcism that was written about in the book 'Message from Hell' where the demon claims diabolical ownership of the apparitions.
My apologies, I just wanted your readers to maintain some discernment.
God bless,
Michael

Jamey said...

Our Lady of All Nations apparition has a level of approval as worthy of belief however this doesn't mean every message is infallible from it. For example we have already seen the Vatican alter part of the prayer where it said "who once was Mary".

mariana said...

The messages of Our Lady of All Nations are infallible. Unfortunately, it is the human mind that possibly misunderstood the meaning of the statement, "who was once Mary." So, the Vatican rightly changed the words. No Big Deal. The Lady of All Nations Statue located in Akita, Japan has wept numerous times. This phenomenon accompanied apparitions of the Blessed Mother to Sister Agnes Sasagawa with a message emphasizing our Lady's role as co-redemptrix. She is a very important Virgin especially for our present time. She stressed UNITY in our Church. Maybe some will finally listen.

Anonymous said...

Mariana,
I am not sure the messages are infallible. Please take time to read the discussion thread at Catholic Answers Forum: http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=16762
Pray for discernment.
God bless
Michael

mariana said...

Michael, click and read: the-american-catholic.com/2011/07/04/former-cia-analyst-prof-dr-richard-l-russell-discusses-the-messages-of-our-lady-of-all-nations/ Read of what this man says about this apparition and his story. Our Lady of All Nations is remarkable. Her prophecies have been incredibly accurate. We've lived in miraculous times with great saints like Padre Pio amongst us. Our Lady is desperately trying to save a divided world.

mariana said...

Our Lady has appeared in many apparitions and continues to appear to warn us. Something is going to happen. I really do believe we are close to the day of the Warning. From Sister Faustina, to Garabandal, to Padre Pio and his close friend seer Maria Esperanza of Betania it is understood that the illumination of conscience is coming.

Jamey said...

Mariana,

I don't think it is as simple as you posted in response to my comment about all the messages being infallible. Would God entrust completely infallible messages to someone who was going to butcher them as was done with Our Lady of All Nations where socialism, the Novus Ordo appear to be supported. Remember saints have often been deceived by devils in visions so what is saying he didn't make a guest appearance or two amongst the heavenly to Peederman. I think Our Lady Of All Nations is probably most complex to understand of all apparitions. I heard in La Salette the devil also threw a side show (not to St Bernadette) and there was much confusion and mayhem. Regarding the sign of the warning before chastisement could also be perilous - many may simply wait for the warning before properly repenting or trying to convert others. There may be a warning like that with God's mercy but don't be too sure of it. Aren't the current chastisements by water, "frightful hurricanes" and earthquakes a warning as foretold by Sr Aiello, Akita and Fatima are also huge dire warnings to humanity and have been pretty much neglected/rejected.

Emmett, thanks for that information about ISON you provided in your comment.

mariana said...

Jamey, I don't understand what you mean. The warning is a mini judgement. So, if one's soul is not ready or hands are empty of good works, one will suffer greatly. Waiting for the Warning to convert is too late. Some may not survive it. And as far as the messages from Our Lady of All Nations none of it is against our magisterium. The predictions are accurate.
www.circleofprayer.com/theladyof allnations-messages15.html

mariana said...

You know watching the Kennedy assassination films this week reminded me that so many conservatives back then really misunderstood President Kennedy's politics. He believed in free market supply side economics, he was against the Vietnam war, he sat with Kruschev and made a deal to get rid of the nuclear missiles in Turkey, and he began programs for Americans to serve the poor all over the world. Some called him a communist. How wrong they were. Actually, he was a true conservative. Misinterpreting the actions of a Catholic President and a Church, during an era that was changing dramatically to the left was a mistake. Both Kennedy, the Church, and The Lady knew the only way to fight Satan at his game, was to open ourselves as Catholics to the world. We were called during the era of the Great Apostasy of the '60's, for greater international cooperation in economic matters. Unfortunately, they killed Kennedy and the U.S. installed LBJ's Great Society welfare State that took the Church's guidance away from the need for socially oriented movements. It's not what Kennedy wanted. And as far as Vatican II, many distorted that too.

Anonymous said...

A very interesting story in the LA Times with a GIF illustration of two comets racing toward the sun. Apparently it will look like a collision course from our space telescopes, but in reality they will be very far apart. Nonetheless, having the two of them at the same time is unprecedented:
http://www.latimes.com/nation/shareitnow/la-sh-nasa-comet-ison-encke-gif-20131122,0,6187934.story#axzz2lOFgBL10

Mary

mariana said...

Thank you Mary very cool. Conchita from Garabandal said the warning looked like two comets exploding with each other. Maybe this is a foreshadowing of what soon is to come.

Anonymous said...

Hi Mariana,
Thank you for directing me to your CIA guy. Now please check these at theotokos.org.uk:-
http://www.theotokos.org.uk/pages/unapprov/amsterda/amsterd1.html
http://www.theotokos.org.uk/pages/unapprov/amsterda/amsterdam-problems.htm
http://www.theotokos.org.uk/pages/unapprov/amsterda/latineng.pdf
http://www.theotokos.org.uk/pages/unapprov/amsterda/briefeng.gif
God bless,
Michael

Mark W said...

Just read someplace that December 4 is the 450th anniversary of the closing of the Council of Trent.

mariana said...

Michael, you don't have to believe in Our Lady of All Nations, but she is the Lady of Akita too. The statue came alive in Japan and in 1981 a cancer victim who prayed to her was miraculously cured. There is a great devotion to Our Lady of All Nations in the Philippines. And her predictions have been quite accurate about that part of the world. I haven't read any blasphemous statements from her and the apparitions have been approved. But thank you anyway.

Anonymous said...

Emmett,

You said "... However some of the most famous pope fleeing Rome prophecies, such as that attributed to Pope Pius XI, are apocryphal".

Are you referring to Pius X? I could not find anything attributed to Pius XI.

charles

Emmett O'Regan said...

Oops! You're right Charles, I meant Pius X.

Anonymous said...

Emmett,

Do you know how far back that Pius prophecy can be traced? One I found was Fr. Culleton '41book "the prophets and our times". Are you saying that there is no conclusive proof that Pius X actually stated it?


charles

mariana said...

Blessed Pius IX said, "There will come a great SIGN that will fill the world with awe. But this will occur only after the triumph of a revolution during which the Church will undergo ordeals which are beyond description." May this revolution have been the "Great Apostasy" of the 1960's?
Conchita of Garabandal said, "The Pope will go to Russia, to Moscow. As soon as he returns to the Vatican, hostilities will break out in different parts of Europe." Mari Loli of Garabandal said, the Warning would come when the turmoil gets worse, this is when the world will need the intervention of God. According to Father Brennan O.S.C. in his article, "Prophecy of our Time," in May '83 Homiletic and Pastoral Review, he said, "as a result of all this (hostilites in Europe) there will be a turning to God that will match the apostasy from God that preceded it, with the result, as Our Lady said at Fatima, that "an era of peace will be granted to humanity." This will be a peace such as the world has never known." The meeting between Putin and Pope Francis is historically prophetic. Will Pope Francis visit Russia soon?

Jamey said...

Mariana said:

"The warning is a mini judgement. So, if one's soul is not ready or hands are empty of good works, one will suffer greatly. Waiting for the Warning to convert is too late. Some may not survive it."

Where did you get this information from?

Michael, thanks for the links the second one highlights some genuinely problematic issues with Our Lady of All Nations.

The letter of the bishop that approved Our Lady of All Nations in 2002 declared the apparitions as supernatural. My understanding after listening to a tape by Fr John O'Connor, when a bishop acts on this it is on a magisterial level so is infallible. Ultimately the church can't approve something demonic otherwise the gates of Hell will have prevailed. However the church can err on the side of caution as it did with St Faustina.

There are a few ways we can approach the problematic statements of Our Lady of All Nations.

The first is the seer misinterpreted what was given to her. The bishop said "Naturally, the influence of the human element still exists." But this is difficult in some of the problematic areas where the seer actually questioned the vision because she was alarmed herself at what she heard. So the visionary seemed to be clear in what she was hearing and even sought clarification.

The following is the letter of the bishop and it is a bit light on theology wise and mainly seems to use the Medjugorje fruits line - that is Our Lady of All Nations has resulted in a certain increase in Catholic devotion and therefore must be true, which we know isn't necessarily the case given Bayside, La Palma, etc.

http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/OLAN2002.pdf

Another and more dire way of understanding it is in connection to what a trad poster mentioned in relation to Malachi Martin saying graces will be removed from certain areas of the church so what was infallibly guided before will no longer be as part of a spiritual chastisement. But to me this would mean that the gates of Hell have prevailed.

Having to make a call I would say that Our Lady of All Nations is genuine because of the bishop likely acting on a magisterial level and its connection to Akita however discernment is needed with the messages and more work needs to be done as was with the prayer sifting what is in line with the eternal Magisterium and what isn't.

mariana said...

http://www.garabandal.us/the-message As well as, garabandalnews.overblog.com There are videos on Conchita's interview about the Warning. It's not going to be an easy experience. But it's a necessary intervention.

mariana said...

I know some in Conchita's inner circle from Long Island. She is a very holy woman. In fact, Padre Pio gave her his glove where he bled from. She's given it to her parish Church. Please pray for her, she just lost her beloved husband.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Jamey for your comments.
Further, the question about approval of Our Lady of All Nations, Kevin Symonds from Catholic Lane writes

"In his essay, Scicluna states once a decision of the CDF is rendered on an alleged private revelation, the decision is of “undisputed hierarchical authority,” meaning a lower authority cannot overturn it. Interestingly, within this section Scicluna provides a footnote citing the “Our Lady of All Nations” case. He says:

Another case, that still continues to be problematic, would be Amsterdam for the alleged apparitions and revelations of the “Lady of All Nations.” The Servant of God, Paul VI, on 5 April, 1974 approved the decision of the Congregation to publish the negative judgment “Constat de non supernaturalitate” taken 27 March, 1974. The Notification of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith bears the date of 25 May, 1974 and has been newly proposed in "Documents of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith" published in 2006 (Documents 22, p. 90).

Scicluna’s point raises some questions: First, if the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith issued a negative judgment on the Amsterdam claims, did the local Ordinary, Marianus Punt, have the requisite authority to declare the claims to be supernatural in origin in May, 2002? Given the hierarchical nature of the Congregation’s Notification, one would have expected Punt to say something of this matter in his May 31, 2002 letter but strangely he did not and there is nothing elsewhere in any of the literature about it."

- From: http://catholiclane.com/olan-approved/

God Bless
Michael

Jamey said...

Hi Michael,

Very interesting information and thanks for sharing that certainly makes sense. What I consider a punishment on the church is the lack of clarification on so many contentious issues and this is another example leaving the laity in a state of confusion. I think Bishop Fellay said recently the laity have been left in the unbelievable situation of having to fend for themselves relating to things that should be of the shepherds' domain. Michael Brown on Spirit Daily recently made the point the church from the highest levels should be promoting the messages from Heaven (ie Fatima and Akita) however there is nothing but silence. In fact many things we know of the Third Secret of Fatima have to do with then Cardinal Ratzinger releasing snippets in off the cuff remarks.

God Bless,
Jamey

Anonymous said...

"Blessed Pius IX said, "There will come a great SIGN that will fill the world with awe. But this will occur only after the triumph of a revolution during which the Church will undergo ordeals which are beyond description." May this revolution have been the "Great Apostasy" of the 1960's?"

What are we supposed to expect from this comment? If it's going to fill the world with awe, then something huge is going to happen.

I'm familiar with that Prophecy. I'm glad that connection was made.

-Hannah

Anonymous said...

Emmett and others,

I wonder if anyone else felt a prophetic significance in Pope Francis choosing to venerate the bones of St. Peter on the Feast of Christ the King? It touched me deeply, as did the homily he gave.

Mary

mariana said...

Yes, Hannah the sign is the Miracle after the Warning. And, Mary, I hadn't thought of how prophetic Pope Francis' gesture was by venerating the bones of St. Peter. Oh my! Pope Francis has the bones in display for the first time, at the end of the year of faith proclaimed by Pope Benedict. What does this mean to you Mary or any one else?

Anonymous said...

Well, I wonder if "Pope Francis will dispense with his status of "Pope" and simply become the Bishop of Rome in an effort to unify the Orthodox faith with the Catholic faith." Maybe the St. Malachy prophecy will be fulfilled after all. The Garabandal prophecy says the Pope will visit Moscow, and on his arrival to Rome, Europe begins to unravel. And I can see how the European Union and America will feel it's getting snubbed.

mariana said...

That was my comment above.

Emmett O'Regan said...

Charles - There's no actual records that Pope Pius X made that prophecy. Cullerton's book is the furtherest I can trace it back to. You certainly won't find reference to it in any magesterial documents. Same goes for the prophecy attributed to Pius IX. But I suppose this is to be expected. It would seem reasonable that a pontiff who received private revelations would chose to release such messages via alternative, more low-key channels rather than in official pronouncements. This was certainly the case with the vision of Pope Leo XIII - and there is little doubt that the events in this vision actually took place, given the supporting evidence.

So these prophecies could be genuine - it's just difficult to prove...

Emmett O'Regan said...

Hannah - I believe that the "Great Sign" referred to in various prophecies most likely foretells a future supernova in the Milky Way Galaxy, which could appear as a brilliant cross-shaped star in the sky. There have only been four supernovas in the Milky Way in the past thousand years - the last one being in 1604. So we seem to be overdue one...

Mary, yes I think Pope Francis has been intentionally making some pretty prophetic gestures recently - exposing the relics of St. Peter for public veneration for the first time in almost two thousand years is of huge significance.

mariana said...

Oh, yes, did forget about the cross in the sky. Thank you Emmett. But I believe the sign Pius IX was speaking of would be totally supernatural, and not just scientific. "Jesus revealed to us a sign for the end times (Matt 24) through Sr Faustina...all lights in the Heavens will be extinguished and there will be great darkness over the whole earth. Then the sign of the CROSS will be seen in the sky and from the openings of the hands and the feet of the Savior were nailed will come for the great lights which will light up the earth for a period of time. This will take shortly before the last day." The Garabandal miracle is also a sign that will occur in the mountain of San Sebastian where the 9 Pine trees stand. Exciting!

KP said...

Very interesting discusssion everyone.

I've been watching videos on youtube about Our Lady of All Nations and the prophecies given by her. The speaker is Dr Miravalle.

I'm surprised at how specific and accurate these prophecies are.

But what he didn't mention too much of was what was prophesied and still hasn't yet come to pass. There was a mention about a vision containing a conflict between the "stars and stripes, the sickle and hammer, and the crescent moon." There was also some information regarding economics, I think.

But is anyone aware of any other prophecies from Our Lady of All Nations that haven't fully come to pass yet (other than the pronouncement of the 5th dogma)?

Anonymous said...

Hi KP,
Why not read the messages yourself. Put aside about five hours and you should get through all fifty six messages. Pay close attention to 'the lady's' language (sometimes with anger and sometimes rather forceful) and content. Note also, I think message 28 has been modified to be more palettable for general consumption. In the original message, Ida Peederman refers not to 'the lady's' contour but her breast. An omission from the same message, Ida state she often feels 'the lady's' br**st.
If that's not diabolical, I don't know what is. I apologise for my directness. Please discern.
Here's a link...
http://www.amsterdamapparitions.com/category/the-apparitions/messages/the-messages-1945-1959/
And another....
http://www.circleofprayer.com/theladyofallnations.html
God bless,
Michael

Anonymous said...

Hi KP,
Why not read the messages yourself. Put aside about five hours and you should get through all fifty six messages. Pay close attention to 'the lady's' language (sometimes with anger and sometimes rather forceful) and content. Note also, I think message 28 has been modified to be more palettable for general consumption. In the original message, Ida Peederman refers not to 'the lady's' contour but her breast. An omission from the same message, Ida state she often feels 'the lady's' br**st.
If that's not diabolical, I don't know what is. I apologise for my directness. Please discern.
Here's a link...
http://www.amsterdamapparitions.com/category/the-apparitions/messages/the-messages-1945-1959/
And another....
http://www.circleofprayer.com/theladyofallnations.html
God bless,
Michael

Jamey said...

"I apologise for my directness."

No need to apologise Michael, you are simply presenting us with the facts and are to be commended. Interested to see if Emmett has time what he thinks of this information - can Our Lady of All Nations be salvaged? This is worthy of a post in itself. In recent times many Catholics seem to assume that every "angelic" vision is genuine in previous era's there was a discernment of each vision as we know the devil can present himself in a most beautiful manner. I have commented before that St John of the Cross was so confused by his visions and telling the difference between the good and bad angels he prayed for all visions to cease! Yet how often do we hear modern visionaries say they have been deceived by a devil? We are in a huge spiritual war ladies and gentlemen. Thankfully we have 2000 years of tradition to help us navigate the murky waters we are swimming through.

God Bless.

mariana said...

Totally agree with you Jamey. I'm a simple woman. Seriously, when in doubt I always go back to our Catechism. "Roman Catechism and the Church is the place where the SPIRIT flourishes," St. Hippolytus wrote. Go and read from 670 to 723 in the Catechism, about the Holy Spirit and how the end times manifests in our lives today. The Catechism tells us that "the Spirit gives the Church hierarchical and CHARISMATIC Gifts." And those Charismatic gifts should not be repressed. There has always been a hunger for that "breath of hope" that at times the Church fails to give. True apparitions happen in order to convert sinners. Simple as that. And as long as the messages convey the truth it should be at least acknowledged and not completely denounced. Of course, the devil works around to deceive us at all times. But don't let him distort the true apparitions and the messages. "Do not Quench the Spirit." (Thess 5:19). "Ida Peederman had her first apparition in March 25th, 1945; She saw a beautiful girl of 12 or 13 years, but also the attack on the apparition by a person dressed in black." The devil deceives even while one is experiencing a true apparition in order to confuse or make fun of Our Lady. Do you know the enormous amount of miraculous apparitions happening all over the world that are not ever found out because people are afraid to go to their clergy in fear of losing their credibility? I know a truly Christian woman who heads a major Catholic International Laity Order, one of the oldest Order's in the Catholic Church, who has already experienced the WARNING! This is a woman who is constantly at the Vatican. A very intelligent, holy and humble soul. Yes, God gave her the grace to go through it. Believe me, the WARNING is real. All apparitions including those approved provoked enormous doubts. Even La Salette still is rather controversial. When both Bishops of Garabandal, and Amsterdam tried to take up the investigations, the supporters of the apparitions spread this news too fast, and Rome backed off. It happens all the time. And their is nothing wrong with that, Rome needs to be careful and conservative in approving apparitions. They move slowly. Again, please, begin to read the Catechism on 675. It's so clear and simple when it comes to explaining the order of things to come. First of all the Second Coming will not come until "His recognition by "all Israel" for a "hardening has come upon part of Israel" in their unbelief toward Jesus." Since we as Christians are the New Israel, this may very well be when ALL CHRISTIANS are finally united under the Roman Catholic Church. On 685, the "final age" - ushered by Christ redeeming Incarnation, the divine plan is accomplished by the outpouring of the Spirit...I believe we are today in this final stage. Why? Because of Our Lady. She is in the Catechism, as well as, in the Bible as the final "Masterpiece of the Holy Spirit." It is this final stage before the Coming of Christ in which the Spirit unites us in Mary through Christ as Co-Redemptrix. This is the final dogma. And maybe this is what Our Lady of Nations, Akita, Garabandal, Fatima, Lourdes is preparing us for. Our Lady is the key to "when the Church will enter her final glory by following her Lord in his death and Resurrection." But until our Church unites, and I mean that by no more SCHISM's, Christ's coming is suspended. I pray this time with our Pope Francis, at least, we will be heading towards an era of peace soon like Fatima predicted. The signs are here. Russia converting if this is the case, and it looks to me like it is, may very well be the Holy Spirit bringing the world into the "last days." God bless and much love to all of you.

Jamey said...

There has always been a testing by spirits but in this perilous day and age the testing is so much more severe.

Akita yes, there is nothing weird in the messages there, dire and in line with God's judgement yes, weird no. Several prophecies came to pass such as the healing of Sr Sasagawa's hearing which was confirmed as completely gone for good by doctors. Clear miracles witnessed by thousands. In a little known meeting in 1988 then Cardinal Ratzinger confirmed to Bishop Ito the messages of Akita and Fatima (3rd Secret) are the same as later confirmed to Howard Dee.

Garabandal we are dealing with multiple failed prophecies and oddities.

Our Lady of All Nations once again we are dealing with oddities and a lack of discernment by many involved. At best it may be concluded as supernatural but many of the individual apparitions and visions could be condemned as diabolical after investigation. A few elephants in the room must be attended to.

mariana said...

Our Lady of Akita's messages confirmed La Salette, Fatima, Amsterdam and Garabandal. All speak of Chastisement of fire. Only three twentieth century apparitions have progressed to the 4th stage, Fatima, Bearaing and Banneux, Belgium. But Amsterdam, Garabandal, Akita and Betania have passed the first two stages. There is nothing against Church teachings in Garabandal, and well, when it comes to oddity, apparitions are not the norm. Some of the lives of Saints were rather odd too. Ask Mary Magdalelne how odd her level of ecstasy was, let alone St Teresa's of Avila? Also, want to stress how devoted St Padre Pio was to Garabandal. He was extremely close to Conchita. Garabandal's full recognition can come only with the fulfillment of those prophesied events such as the Warning and Miracle. I believe Our Lady, when she promised she was going to save us, hopefully, the Warning gives many the chance to repent. Our Lady can mitigate the effect of this fire through prayer, penance and the Eucharist. After all, she did diminish a nuclear war in 1984. Pope John Paul II, with Ronald Reagan changed the course of communist Soviet Union. We can thank her for that. Garabandal warned in the 1960's, unless we obtain the conversion of the Soviet Union, punishment would come to the world. It was diverted. Unfortunately, Garabandal's prophecies were again correct. Today, socialism has come back with a vengeance. We await the Warning for conversion, otherwise the West's secular socialism will be the instrument of chastisement chosen by Heaven to punish the whole world. Believe or not. But I prefer to follow Pope Urban XIII's suggestion about prophecy, "if you believe, and it should be proven false, you will receive all blessings as if it had been true, because you believed it to be true." Much blessings to you Jamey and all on our Thanksgiving day here in America.

mariana said...

"Garabandal's Prophecy about Communism." http://www.ourlady.ca/info/communism.htm

mariana said...

Emmett, the ISON comet is scheduled to be seen on December 26 of this year. Do you remember what Sister Lucia said on December 26, 1957? "Tell them Father that many times the most Holy Virgin told my cousins Francisco and Jacinta, as well as myself, that many nations will disappear from the face of the earth. She said that Russia will be the instrument of chastisement chosen by Heaven to punish the whole world if we do not beforehand obtain the conversion of that poor nation." I think the date of that quote may very well be quite significant.

Emmett O'Regan said...

Hi Mariana,
It looks like we won't be seeing anything of ISON in the skies in December. It seems to have vapourised during perihelion. A trail of dust has appeared on the other side of the sun after perihelion, meaning that the nucleus of the comet itself has disintegrated. Sometimes something of the comet can still be seen after this happens, but it looks like it won't be anything spectacular...

Anonymous said...

Hi Mariana,
Happy Thanksgiving to you and all in the U.S.
Thank you for mentioning apparitions with messages regarding the Warning and Chastisement. Please note that many non- approved apparitions also have messages regarding this, including Maria Divine Mercy, Veronica Leukin, John Leary and Ned Dougherty.
God Bless
Michael

mariana said...

Yes, Emmett that's what I read a few days ago. But yesterday CNN reported the comet is still intact and most likely will give us a show in December. And Michael none of the apparitions you mentioned had Padre Pio backing them. So, my bets are with Garabandal. I mean one is seriously really going to question Padre Pio?

Emmett O'Regan said...

Hi Mariana, ISON seems to be an odd comet. It was thought it had died as it swung around the sun during its closest approach, at the fierest levels of heat, and nothing would re-emerge on the other side. But a trail of dust then became visible on the other side, which began brightening up again. The astronomers who specialize in this field say they have never seen a comet behave in this way before - so they still don't know what to expect. There appears to be something left of ISON, but most likely its nucleus has broken up into smaller pieces. It still might put on a bit of a show after all...

Anonymous said...

CROSS in the sky

Mariana-
I have a sense that you are discerning carefully and I want to reinforce that I believe the cross in the sky spoken of by Sr. Faustina is indeed more supernatural and not scientific. I believe I have seen it in a vision and posted a computer graphic of it on YouTube

http://youtu.be/fZkiwaiwZrI

As far as comet ISON, if it breaks into pieces, I can see where it could become rather unpredictable. I take it as a sign in the heavens. I have been watching the evening sky more carefully recently.

DiscerningProphecy

Anonymous said...

Hi Mariana,
You are correct! St Pio hasn't backed those apparitions. Other than Veronica Leuken, they are present day people claiming messages from heaven.
The point of my previous contribution is that these false apparitions and messages, whether through delusion, or by fraud or diabolical means, hold the intention to draw people away from the truth by declaring the same truth and cleverly slipping in their lies.
Like you, I have noted St. Pio's encouragement to Joey Lomangino to go to San Sebastián and am open to the Church's ruling on the apparitions there. As for Ida Peederman and her apparitions, Alarm bells sound with many aspects including the promoted image, the tone and content of the messages and the character of the seer and her associates.
God bless,
Michael

Mark W said...

http://www.spaceweather.com/images2013/28nov13/rip_anim5.gif?PHPSESSID=b3gn460glgdf7s4ir8tvd2nd05