tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6767475475753279918.post1672277667606599663..comments2024-03-27T09:30:39.371+00:00Comments on Unveiling the Apocalypse: Debunking the Destroyer Pope ProphecyEmmett O'Reganhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01043723932377194248noreply@blogger.comBlogger101125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6767475475753279918.post-14993537653757401952021-10-30T23:12:08.156+01:002021-10-30T23:12:08.156+01:00Emmett,
I just wrote something which covers some ...Emmett,<br /><br />I just wrote something which covers some of your arguments regarding Pighius, Gasser and Vatican I, so since this comment section appears to have some relevance to that, I thought I'd bring it to your attention here.<br /><br />https://reducedculpability.blog/2021/10/30/friends-dont-let-friends-accidentally-dogmatize-the-extreme-opinion-of-albert-pighius/<br /><br />Regards,<br />Scott SmithScott Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13602326822993545282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6767475475753279918.post-8342922927186147342021-04-03T02:47:57.196+01:002021-04-03T02:47:57.196+01:00Seems, seems, seems,... Facts are facts.It doesn&#...Seems, seems, seems,... Facts are facts.It doesn't seem.It is! So much useless discussion about Facts... Fake Francis,but real Bergoglio Masonic Impostor!Rogério Macielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06586296169813900249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6767475475753279918.post-67161895012008064732021-03-24T12:10:11.432+00:002021-03-24T12:10:11.432+00:00Cardinal Oddi tells us that in the Third Secret Ou... Cardinal Oddi tells us that in the Third Secret Our Lady is warning us against apostasy. Cardinal Ciappi stated apostasy begins at the top. The 'top' has not been defined, by anyone. It's left open for us to speculate. Some still think Benedict remains pope.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6767475475753279918.post-27634935714955879042021-03-24T11:15:16.426+00:002021-03-24T11:15:16.426+00:00I won't judge Francis to be a heretic or antip...I won't judge Francis to be a heretic or antipope yet, until he does something to prove it like changing the doctrine of the real presence. But I do think he maybe is being very clever but not doing outright something heretical that would expose him unequivocally.<br /><br />If both God's prophetic warnings about apostasy in the Church is true and the dogma of indefectibility is true, then the only way both can happen is if the bishops are in communion with a counterfeit rock and can defect all they want without violating God's promise. I'm open to this possibility without asserting it. There is more than enough evidence to suggest, but not prove, that Francis believes in heresy. I won't prove it, but he's now speaking of a New World Order and seems to be on board with the Great Reset, United Nations and the Covid Cult; and people are just tripping over themselves to ignore it or dismiss it. Now this is how God might possibly separate the sheep from the goats, seeing who stays faithful and who happily obeys a false prophet who commands blatant heresy and apostasy. Not saying that this is in fact the case, but this seems to be a way that both apostasy could happen while keeping the Church indefectible.<br /><br />At any rate I find it odd that Benedict still lives in the Vatican and dresses like a pope. He should get out of Rome and change his clothes to stop confusing the faithful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6767475475753279918.post-68439054240778503062021-03-19T12:45:11.126+00:002021-03-19T12:45:11.126+00:00https://deaconjohnspace.wordpress.com/2013/05/16/t...https://deaconjohnspace.wordpress.com/2013/05/16/tribulation-times-unveiling-the-apocalypse-prophecy-of-pope-leo-xiii-update/<br /><br />The contributor to this website has an interesting rebuttal to Emmett's view of the 75-100 year period spoken of by Leo 13.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6767475475753279918.post-86971976889734045312021-03-10T10:29:04.840+00:002021-03-10T10:29:04.840+00:00Anonymous 06:06 is asking: "Why does Benedict...Anonymous 06:06 is asking: "Why does Benedict continue to wear the Papal white...?"<br /><br />BXVI still dresses in white because he has a mission to fulfill, which the Holy Virgin of Fatima has provided for him. What is the mission? It is contained in the visual part of the third secret:<br />"...a Bishop dressed in White 'we had the impression that it was the Holy Father'. Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions."<br />The papacy in Rome ended on February 28, 2013 at 8 p.m. [CET]. Benedict XVI is no longer the Pope. He is the bishop in white.MyronMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04864166799379698576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6767475475753279918.post-75988591774288079712021-03-10T06:06:15.409+00:002021-03-10T06:06:15.409+00:00Did Benedict abdicate the Munus in any official sp...Did Benedict abdicate the Munus in any official spoken or written word?<br /><br />Has Benedict ever been seen or heard stating that "Bergoglio is the Pope."<br /><br />Why does Benedict continue to wear the Papal white and refuse to be seen and addressed once again as a Cardinal?<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6767475475753279918.post-18266158849157502212021-03-10T05:42:01.768+00:002021-03-10T05:42:01.768+00:00F.X. Wernz, P. Vidal: “Finally they cannot be numb...F.X. Wernz, P. Vidal: “Finally they cannot be numbered among the schismatics, who refuse to obey the Roman Pontiff because they consider his person to be suspect or doubtfully elected on account of rumours in circulation.” (Ius Canonicum, 7:398, 1943) <br /><br />Rev Ignatius Szal: “Nor is there any schism if one merely transgress a papal law for the reason that one considers it too difficult, or if one refuses obedience inasmuch as one suspects the person of the pope or the validity of his election, or if one resists him as the civil head of a state.” (Communication of Catholics with Schismatics, 1948) <br /><br />De Lugo: “Neither is someone a schismatic for denying his subjection to the Pontiff on the grounds that he has solidly founded [‘probabiliter’] doubts concerning the legitimacy of his election or his power [refers to Sanchez and Palao].” (Disp., De Virt. Fid. Div., disp xxv, sect iii, nn. 35-8)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6767475475753279918.post-31599071632059587932021-03-09T12:24:11.078+00:002021-03-09T12:24:11.078+00:00[...continued]
Sister María de los Dolores y Patro...[...continued]<br />Sister María de los Dolores y Patrocinio <br />Spain (1811-1891)<br />Spanish Conceptionist, abbess, foundress and reformer of the convents of her order; stigmatized, favored with all kinds of graces and supernatural gifts. <br />The man of God…a great marvel… “Speaking with myself on a certain occasion, the Servant of God told me: ‘There will be worked so great a wonder, that it will fill the whole world with astonishment…Men are very careless…and the MAN OF GOD approaches; He will not be long now: it will not go well for those he catches off guard… I am thinking and He makes me bless God who as Divine Majesty for all the greatest things uses a handful of dust.”<br />Who is to think how the prodigy will be? A grave with a handful of bones; and at God’s voice all must see that they become <br />what they were before… No one can imagine it; and so will be the astonishment of the world. Nothing and no one will be able to advance the moment or the hour… So, well, Mother, I asked Her, it has a fixed day or only conditional? It is the express will of <br />God and it has a fixed year, month, day and hour. Before that triumph of God and of His Church, great punishments must <br />come…”<br />Blessed Father Francisco of Jesus, Mary and Joseph [Palau], <br />Spain (1811-1872)<br />Spanish Discalced Carmelite. Created the “School of Virtue”— a mode of catechetical teaching in Barcelona.<br />"From one moment to another there will appear a Moses, a man whom hell, the Heavens, the Elements, and all of Nature will obey. The wonders with which the Divinity of His Mission will be accredited will be so stupendous, that those which Moses realized before the King<br />of Egypt are nothing but a shadow and figure. At His orders the seas will rise from the deep and drown entire cities: the Earth will be covered in darkness so dense that not even the objects most near will be sees as shadows. At His voice fire will descend, sulfur from Heaven, and the Earth will open and hell will swallow alive the modern sacrileges Dathan, Core, Abiron, (Num 16) and those who contest His Mission. Under the direction of this Man, the entire Orb will fight against the foolish ones. <br />The chosen, only the chosen, will follow this restorer, those who have their name written in the Book of Life, and the rest of the Catholics will apostatize dividing themselves one from the other. What is written about the Son of man will be fulfilled in the person of this RESTORER “utcomtemnatur et multa palcatur.” He will be unknown, persecuted, despised by the Catholics whose names are not written in the Book of Life (…)<br />Satan will be locked up in the abyss by the new Moses and by His Apostles, and with him will be buried in hell the evil of the Earth(…), When will this RESTORER come? There is no other restorer known but Elijah Tesbites. “Elijah venturus est et eumvenerit, restituet omnia,” if true restoration is coming that consists in the conversion to the God of all Nations and of its kings, the RESTORER cannot be a king, but an Apostle; war does not convert but ruins, and this apostle will be Elijah, the promised Elijah, whatever the name He is given when He appears. Whether He call himself John, Moses, Peter, the name matters little: the mission of Elijah will restore human society, because God has it so ordered in His Providence."<br />I have only quoted the prophecies of three Spaniards to show the importance of the Spanish village of San Sebastian de Garabandal in these latter times. Through the great miracle that will happen in the pine grove, Almighty God will reveal the person to whom He applies the titles: the Spirit of Truth, the Second Comforter, the Fire, the Chosen One, My Beloved Son, the Restorer, the Prelate of the Sanctuary, the Promised Elijah, the New Moses.<br />Sister Patrocinio knew that this event has a fixed year, month, day and hour [and...hour!], while Conchita knew the exact date and hour [8:30 p.m.] and would reliably announce this date eight days in advance.<br /><br />Source of the quotes: https://www.revelacionesmarianas.com/en/ANGEL%20OF%20PEACE.htmlMyronMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04864166799379698576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6767475475753279918.post-16985701639741013252021-03-09T12:21:49.562+00:002021-03-09T12:21:49.562+00:00Rhona McRoe said ...
"Heres a prediction - if...Rhona McRoe said ...<br />"Heres a prediction - if Conchinta from Garabandal's prophecy fails, the Catholic Church will fail."<br />When, at the end of June 1962, a secret voice revealed to Conchita the date of the Eucharistic miracle [July 18, 1962], she began spreading the news. She sent invitations to priests to this event; she also sent a letter to her bishop in Santander, but he did not take the opportunity to learn for himself the nature of the apparitions at Garabandal. The Eucharistic miracle happened despite people's doubts.<br />The same will be true of the foretold great miracle that will occur in the pine grove above the village. Conchita knows the exact date of this event, set by God and precisely placed by Him in History of Salvation. She will announce the event eight days in advance.<br />What is the event about? The disclosure of the person of the Restorer, the second Christ, born by the Church through the holy sacraments. This figure was announced by Jesus Christ Himself: "“I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! [Luke 12:49]" and "But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. [John 16:13]". Prophets spoke of this figure in earlier times. Here are some examples:<br />Sister Mariana Francisca de Jesus Torres<br />Ecuador (1594-1634)<br />Servant of God. Spanish Conceptionists, abbess of the Convent of Quito. She received innumerable visions and revelations from Our Lord and from Our Lady under the invocation of Good Success.<br />“Oh, how I lament manifesting to you that there will be many and enormous public and hidden sacrileges profaning the Holy Eucharist!... My Most Holy Son will find Himself rolled on the floor and trampled by filthy feet.”<br />“Pray with insistence, asking our Heavenly Father to put an end to such evil times, for the Love of the Eucharistic Heart of My Most Holy Son, and to send this Church the Prelate, My dearly beloved Son, who My Most Holy Son and I love with predilection love, who exists to revive the spirit of Priests, therefore we will endow Him with abilities, humility of heart, docility towards Divine Inspirations, strength to defend the rights of the Church and a tender and compassionate heart so that, like another Christ, He can assist the great and small without disdain for the most disgraced who come with doubts and bitterness in search of the light of his advice…<br />In his hands will be placed the hierarchy of the Sanctuary so that everything can be done with weight and moderation, and thus God will be glorified…”<br />The Holy Virgin calls this mysterious figure "the Prelate, My dearly beloved Son" and in an apparition on February 2, 1610 She named him "the Chosen One":<br />"The merciful Love of My Most Holy Son to put to the test in the just this faith and trust will arrive in moments when seemingly everything will be lost and paralyzed, and then it will be the happy beginning of the complete restoration and the Church, <br />which as a tender girl will resurge joyful and triumphant and sleep quietly, rocked in the arms of the maternal heart of the Chosen One, My beloved Son of those times. We shall make Him great on the Earth and much more in Heaven, where we shall have reserved for Him a very precious seat, because without fear of men He battled for Truth and defended undaunted the rights of His Church for which they could very well call Him martyr." [..to be continued]<br /><br />MyronMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04864166799379698576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6767475475753279918.post-34009322112826856362021-03-07T05:42:47.044+00:002021-03-07T05:42:47.044+00:00This comment pertains the the topic of this postin...This comment pertains the the topic of this posting about whether the prophecy of Saint Francis regarding a destroyer pope is legitimate or not. Please note that it was revealed to Saint Francis of Assisi that one of his brothers, Brother Elias would be condemned. Please read this summary: https://biblehub.com/library/ugolino/the_little_flowers_of_st_francis_of_assisi/chapter_xxxviii_how_it_was.htm Only through great prayer was Brother Elias relieved of that terrible judgement. Therefore, I do not find it out of the question that Saint Francis would also be shown a vision of a pope (with his name) in the future that would be destructive to the Catholic faith.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6767475475753279918.post-71083621103941262952021-03-07T00:09:49.467+00:002021-03-07T00:09:49.467+00:00137137Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6767475475753279918.post-54447402731669270712021-03-07T00:08:52.384+00:002021-03-07T00:08:52.384+00:0019: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzRrEgkfhG819: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzRrEgkfhG8Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6767475475753279918.post-84322415627820210102021-03-06T23:57:26.972+00:002021-03-06T23:57:26.972+00:00I will have to go with EWTN's and all the bish...I will have to go with EWTN's and all the bishops on this one. That plus the number of failed 'predictions' and the strangeness within this 4 year period during Garabandal. As tradition has, apparitions are in the domain/jurisdiction of the local bishop. <br /><br />On October 11, 1996 the new bishop, Jose Vilaplana, again placed his prohibition on the alleged apparitions and said it is final.<br /><br />"Some people have been coming directly to the Diocese of Santander (Spain) asking about the alleged apparitions of Garabandal and especially for the answer about the position of the hierarchy of the Church concerning these apparitions.<br />I need to communicate that:<br /><br />All the bishops of the diocese since 1961 through 1970 agreed that there was no supernatural validity for the apparitions.<br /><br />In the month of December of 1977 Bishop Dal Val of Santander, in union with his predecessors, stated that in the six years of being bishop of Santander there were no new phenomena.<br /><br />The same bishop, Dal Val, let a few years go by to allow the confusion or fanaticism to settle down, and then he initiated a commission to examine the apparitions in more depth. The conclusion of the commission agreed with the findings of the previous bishops. That there was no supernatural validity to such apparitions.<br /><br />At the time of the conclusions of the study, in 1991, I was installed bishop in the diocese. So during my visit to Rome, as limina visit which happened in the same year, I presented to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith the study and I asked for pastoral direction concerning this case.<br /><br />On Nov. 28, 1992, the Congregation sent me an answer saying that after examining the documentation, there was no need for direct intervention (by the Vatican) to take away the jurisdiction of the ordinary bishop of Santander in this case. Such a right belongs to the ordinary. Previous declarations of the Holy See agree in this finding. In the same letter they suggested that if I find it necessary to publish a declaration, that I reconfirm that there was no supernatural validity in the alleged apparitions, and this will make a unanimous position with my predecessors.<br /><br />Given that the declarations of my predecessors who studied the case have been clear and unanimous, I don’t find it necessary to have a new public declaration that would raise notoriety about something which happened so long ago. However, I find it necessary to rewrite this report as a direct answer to the people who ask for direction concerning this question, which is now final: I agree with [and] I accept the decision of my predecessors and the direction of the Holy See.<br /><br />In reference to the Eucharistic celebration in Garabandal, following the decision of my predecessors, I ruled that Masses can be celebrated only in the parish church and there will be no references to the alleged apparitions and visiting priests who want to say Mass must have approval from the pastor, who has my authorization. It’s my wish that this information is helpful to you.<br /><br />My regards in Christ,<br /><br />Jose Vilaplana<br /><br />Bishop of Santander<br /><br />Oct. 11, 1996<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6767475475753279918.post-25346531262563334052021-03-06T23:40:13.698+00:002021-03-06T23:40:13.698+00:00I have to agree with Rhona here. "Not establ...I have to agree with Rhona here. "Not established as supernatural" is in no way the same thing as "nothing supernatural." It simply means they're not certain. That's why the case is still open. And, since the visions have long since ended, we may likely never know the truth this side of Heaven.<br />.<br />We all see the condition the world is in. We know it's bad enough that it will take divine intervention to change things. It is not for us to know when that intervention will come, or even really how; just to keep ourselves spiritually prepared, pray, and trust that it will come. JMCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6767475475753279918.post-57697170705578527412021-03-06T17:45:08.138+00:002021-03-06T17:45:08.138+00:00Rhona, the ewtn site makes the statement that the ...<br /><br /> <br /><br />Rhona, the ewtn site makes the statement that the bishops cannot confirm as it supernatural. What changed? That's nine years to make a determination and still no change in this belief. The visions have ceased so how can that make it possible to cite otherwise? That is the same thing as saying there is nothing supernatural. 60 years is a long time.<br /><br />1. "All the bishops of the diocese from 1961 through 1970 asserted that the supernatural character of the said apparitions, that took place around that time, could not be confirmed." <br /><br />2. In the month of December of 1977 Msgr. del Val, Bishop of Santander, in union with his predecessors, affirmed that in the six years of being Bishop of Santander there were no new phenomena.<br /><br /> Found this: https://www.garabandal.us/joey# saying he would receive new eyes on the day of the miracle from a letter from Conchita , Joey has the assurance that he will one day see.<br /><br />https://www.garabandal.us/joey_story Dear Joey: Today at the pines in a locution the Blessed Virgin told me to tell you you will receive new eyes on the day of the Great Miracle…<br /><br />Joey Lomangino, who has dedicated his life to spreading the Message of Garabandal, is totally an incurably blind. But, through the above quote from a letter from the Garabandal visionary Conchita Gonzalez, Joey has the assurance that he will one day see. Conchita also quoted the Virgin as saying: The first thing he (Joey) shall see will be the miracle which my Son will perform through my intercession, and from that time on he will see permanently.<br />Conchita has further explained that her understanding of the Virgin’s term, “new eyes,” is eyes as we know them – not necessarily spiritual vision – and that Joey’s new eyes “are to be used for the glory of God.”<br /><br /> Found this ewtn audio: https://www.garabandal.us/mp3/motherangelica.mp3 Listen at the :25 minute mark to :27 minute where Joey makes the claim of new eyes with a letter from Conchita.<br /><br /><br /><br />Now i used to be a firm believer in Garabandal, honest but since joey died and looking at other evidence i have changed my stance. As much as i still LOVE the idea that a worldwide warning would is needed for us all, i do not find it legit.<br /><br />i hope this clears things up.<br /><br />warmly, <br /><br />anon<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6767475475753279918.post-11844495712755170942021-03-06T15:41:24.001+00:002021-03-06T15:41:24.001+00:00Anon: Please be careful. Because we can't se...Anon: Please be careful. Because we can't see body language or hear tone of voice, an innocent statement can come across as snarky. The first last sentences in your last post could have been worded better.<br /><br />As for why Rhona would want to see the interview, sometimes hearing the entire thing can make understanding clearer. As she pointed out to me in a previous post, you don't always get the entire meaning when a quote is merely paraphrased. <br /><br />JMCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6767475475753279918.post-26434845116858548502021-03-06T15:39:53.379+00:002021-03-06T15:39:53.379+00:00@Anonymous -
"Rhona, if joey's beliefs ...@Anonymous - <br /><br /><i>"Rhona, if joey's beliefs aren't worth a damn, why would you care to see the interview?"</i><br />Youre the one citing it as evidence of something, not me. I'm questioning *your* arguement, not his. Do you have the link or not?<br /><br />*None* of the bishops have stated that 'nothing supernatural' occurred. None. Not one.<br />You'd know this if you'd actually read the link you posted. The occurrences are <b>non constat de supernaturalitate</b> - that is, not established as supernatural.<br /><br />That is a <i><b>completely different</b></i> from <i>constat de non supernaturalitate</i> - which means established as NOT supernatural. They are totally, wholly, separate and distinct categories.<br /><br />Anyway, I'm not engaging any further with someone who either has not read or doesnt understand the material they've produced to support their position.Rhona McRoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08877114534397285889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6767475475753279918.post-25117704441827634102021-03-06T14:22:15.510+00:002021-03-06T14:22:15.510+00:00Rhona, if joey's beliefs aren't worth a da...Rhona, if joey's beliefs aren't worth a damn, why would you care to see the interview? <br /><br />Look at : https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/alleged-apparitions-at-garabandal-3719 <br /><br />Apparently, ALL the bishops there have stated nothing supernatural occurred.<br /><br />Then there are other problems that throw water on this thing. It said Paul VI would live to see the Great Miracle and according to Conchita he knew the date of the Miracle. Or that Padre pio would see this miracle. How about the prediction of three more popes until "the end of the times." Pope John XXIII was the pope at that time, then there was Paul VI, Pope John Paul I, and Pope John Paul II. Oh, don't forget Benedict and now Francis. Still no warning or miracle.<br /><br />Still think there is validity to this?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6767475475753279918.post-35413004493596526042021-03-06T00:29:12.956+00:002021-03-06T00:29:12.956+00:00@Anonymous - Harsh as it may seem, I dont think Jo...@Anonymous - Harsh as it may seem, I dont think Joeys beliefs are worth a damn; He - or his interpretations - are not the arbite, judge or yardstick of the matter in hand.<br /><br />That said, Conchitas message to him - and this *does* matter - seems to have been unequivocal on the subject.<br /><br />Again, we will know -definitively - within a decade or so, whether or not God and/or his mother has intervened in human affairs.<br /><br />Of this much we can be certain.<br /><br />If you could provide a link to the mentioned interview (or any other quoted material) I'd love to view it.<br /><br />regards<br /><br />RRhona McRoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08877114534397285889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6767475475753279918.post-85374591083961624182021-03-02T14:00:33.045+00:002021-03-02T14:00:33.045+00:00Joey was a guest on Mother Angelica’s show in the ...Joey was a guest on Mother Angelica’s show in the late 90s and said he would see the miracle. He believed the miracle would happen in his lifetime and his eyesight would be restored at the miracle. Do you think he got the message wrong?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6767475475753279918.post-49156025529668591042021-03-01T23:15:34.423+00:002021-03-01T23:15:34.423+00:00Hi JMC, Thanks for the reply.
Couple of points he...Hi JMC, Thanks for the reply.<br /><br />Couple of points here in an unordered typing-as-it-comes-to-me fashion.<br /><br />1. "...the death of a man who was supposed to have lived through the warning and miracle, and have his sight restored..." This is the New Yorker - Joey. <br />I think here - <i>and in <b>all</b> other situations</i> - the wording is very important and should be read *exactly* as it was relayed/written - no interpretation, embellishment or assumptions should be made. In that vein, strictly speaking he was not told he would be alive only that he would have new eyes at the time of the events. I think the actual wording requires closer examination.<br /><br />2. The castisement is indeed conditional but - in Garabandal lore - the other two event are definite.<br /><br />3. The official jury is out indeed. However viewing of the footage clearly indicates something happened.<br /><br />4. "I don't see how the Church would fail" - okay, I worded that badly.<br />I think the faith of very, very many Catholics would lapse if it turns out Garabandal is a hoax or a failure. It provides a tangible, of-our-own-time event where God acted overtly in our world and reinforced the message of the Catholic Church - even if the Church itself is nonplussed.<br /><br />5. "..if Conchita should die before announcing the miracle, one of the others would do it."<br />Conchita is the only one who knows the date, the other children were not told. Incidentally one of the 4 died a few years back (RIP).<br /><br />6. I agree on Medjugorje - even though I've been and witnessed.....an event myself.<br />There may have been an initial Visitation but since then...Rhona McRoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08877114534397285889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6767475475753279918.post-79123060754305126942021-02-28T14:49:14.381+00:002021-02-28T14:49:14.381+00:00As you've doubtless read above, a few importan...As you've doubtless read above, a few important points have been brought up, especially the death of a man who was supposed to have lived through the warning and miracle, and have his sight restored (that didn't happen). <br />.<br />As for the warning/miracle/chastisement, IF the apparitions be true, then it is possible for all three to occur. I see it this way: The chastisement is CONDITIONAL, that is, is mankind does not heed the warning, then chastisement will come. The miracle would be the "proof" that the apparitions are real, as the Miracle of the Sun at Fatima proved that one; it would not be directly related to either the warning or the chastisement. <br />.<br />The official jury is still out on Garabandal. So is mine. I accept the Vatican's ruling on the first week of the Medjugorje apparitions, but I think anything since then is questionable at best. <br />.<br />All of that being said, I don't see how the Church would fail if Conchita never announces the miracle. They haven't approved or condemned Garbandal; the case is still open. Conchita was not the only visionary; there were several others. Are any of them still alive? If they are, then it's conceivable that, if Conchita should die before announcing the miracle, one of the others would do it.<br />.<br />And, of course, all of this hinges on whether or not the apparitions at Garabandal were truly of Our Lady. JMCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6767475475753279918.post-33990165928896935472021-02-28T07:51:14.166+00:002021-02-28T07:51:14.166+00:00Firstly, what I meant by 'fails' is that C...Firstly, what I meant by 'fails' is that Conchita is charged with announcing to the world the event (either miracle or chastisement) 8 days before it happens. It follows then that she will be alive to do this. She has just turned 72. <br />Its not illogical to suggest then, that these events will happen within a historically short period of time. Conchita may indeed live to be 100 but even with that taken into account these events - by the Garabandal criteria - are set to take place within a short period of time.<br /><br />Secondly, I have some difficulty with the Garabandal/Medjugorge framework as they both promise more or less the same thing - a warning/permanent sign(miracle)/chastisement. <br /><br />Surely both cant be true?<br /><br />Anyhow, my point is that it cannot be long until we have concrete proof - one way or another - of the intervention of God and Mary in human affairs. If Conchita dies a without an announcement or if she makes an announcement and it fails to materialize, then the faith of many, many Catholics will collapse.<br /><br />regardsRhona McRoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08877114534397285889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6767475475753279918.post-16165289498886021522021-02-27T02:07:06.590+00:002021-02-27T02:07:06.590+00:00Thanks for telling me that, Anon. The narratives ...Thanks for telling me that, Anon. The narratives I've read and heard about Garabandal never even mentioned him. With all the questions still surrounding it, and the lack of details from the investigations, I doubt the case will ever be settled.JMCnoreply@blogger.com