Monday, 15 May 2017
The Triumph of the Immaculate Heart
Stephen Walford has published an excellent article on Vatican Insider, providing us with a detailed synopsis of his book Heralds of the Second Coming. In this article, titled The Triumph of the Immaculate Heart: The Light from the East is Dawning, he deftly tackles the problem of millenarianism in contemporary Catholicism, besides covering a host of other interesting topics on the subject of eschatology, with a particular emphasis on the prophetic charism of the papacy. You can read the full article here, or by clicking the link above.
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Although I do value Stephen's insight into Fatima, the fact remains that he makes the same mistake in his article as he does in his book: he conflates Millenarianism with the period of peace and the possibility of a period of triumphant Christianity. In his article he rules out a "cessation of hostilities" prior to the Second Coming. This does not strike me as sound Catholic insight. In fact, numerous Popes have prayed for peace, temporal peace. In fact, peace, real temporal peace, is possible in individuals as well as society. Christ demands it and the Grace to achieve such a happy result is provided through the Sacraments. It is the fruit of living in state of grace - which is possible right here and right now by means of the Church, the Holy Spirit and the Sacraments. We've grown so accustomed to centuries of Freemasonic wars and corruption of morals in society, that we have forgotten a time when Christ ruled in individuals as well as in society: what was once known as Christendom. It was not a paradise on earth and sin, suffering and evil existed then just as much as they exist now. But let's not fall for the Freemasonic lie that peace is not possible in society. It certainly is and in fact the Church demands it and continually prays for it. While it is true that numerous Popes and private revelations have warned that the Second Coming is close, it is also true that they have foreseen and prayed for a period of peace and restoration within society and the Church. And I have in my possession a book from 1952 titled The Teaching of the Catholic Church, which bears the Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur, and which strikes the proper balance on this issue:
"Another form of illusion in this great matter of Christ's second advent has been much more universal, much more persistent, and is, in a way, more easily forgivable. This form of religious dreaming is even older than the Gospels; it is man's hope of the millennium. It has always been the faith of certain pious people, whom the iniquities of the world have afflicted in their souls, that there would be on this earth some day a very magnificent kingdom of God. With the advent of Christianity it was, of course, Christ who would be the King of that happy era of human sanctity. It is not easy to contradict people and prove them to be wrong if they profess a hope in some mighty triumph of Christ here on earth before the final consummation of all things. Such an occurrence is not excluded, is not impossible, it is not at all certain that there may not be a prolonged period of triumphant Christianity before the end. The point of division between the legitimate aspirations of devout souls and the aberrations of false millenarism is this: the Chiliasts - as believers in the millennium are called, from the Greek word for thousand - seem to expect a coming of Christ and a presence of him in glory and majesty on this earth which would not be the consummation of all tings but would still be a portion of the history of mankind. This is not consonant with Catholic dogma. The coming of Christ int he second Advent - the Parousia, as it is is called technically - in orthodox Christianity is the consummation of all things, the end of human history. If before that final end there is to be a period, more or less prolonged, of triumphant sanctity, such a result will be brought about, not by the apparition of the Person of Christ in Majesty but by the operation of those powers of sanctification which are now at work, the Holy Ghost and the Sacraments of the Church."
Anon, you keep going round in circles with that non-authoritative 1952 book which Stephen has already shown written by a single priest. It is not a magisterial document. The Catechism rules out the idea a period of total peace on earth will be possible in history. I have given you some leeway so far, but if you attempt to use this book again to undermine the Catechism, I will delete your comments.
"The Church . . . will receive its perfection only in the glory of heaven," at the time of Christ's glorious return. Until that day, "the Church progresses on her pilgrimage amidst this world's persecutions and God's consolations." Here below she knows that she is in exile far from the Lord, and longs for the full coming of the Kingdom, when she will "be united in glory with her king." The Church, and through her the world, will not be perfected in glory without great trials. Only then will "all the just from the time of Adam, 'from Abel, the just one, to the last of the elect,' . . . be gathered together in the universal Church in the Father's presence." (CCC 769)
Emmett,
The book to which you derisively refer is a two-volume work titled "The Teaching of the Catholic Church: A Summary of Catholic Doctrine." It was was arranged and edited by Canon George D. Smith, D.D., Ph.D. The majority of the essays presented as a composite work were published originally as separate volumes in "The Treasury of the Faith" series. It contains the Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur.
Where did Stephen show that this work is "non-authoritative?" And it wasn't written by a single priest; it's a composite work first printed in 1927. Obviously, he's never seen this two volume work in person.
I see nothing in the citation I referenced that would undermine the Catechism's teaching on the Second Coming or Millenarianism; if you think otherwise then make the case instead of resorting to bully tactics and threats of virtual book burning.
Anon,
Abbot Anscar Vonier wrote the essay on "Death and Judgment". Nobody else wrote it. Page 1101 to 1134. There was no theological commission. It is completely non authoritative. Have a look at Donum Veritatis for an understanding of the levels of magisterial teaching. An imprimatur only means its free from doctrinal error. And as I have pointed out in my book "Communion of Saints", Abbot Vonier does not even accept any millennium. He calls it "religious dreaming." I have no problem at all with what he said that Christianity could flower at some stage-as it does throughout history in different places-think of Africa the past century; millions of converts. That is what he is saying-conversions in the usual way and holiness through a sacramental life-which is what St. Bernard's adventus medius is all about. Of course as usual that teaching has been mangled as well to try and fit the error of the spiritual millennium into the authentic teaching of the Church. When it comes down to it, there is nothing-absolutely nothing in the magisterium that would accept your premise; that's why dodgy interpretations and dodgy private revelations have to be wheeled out.
Abbot Vonier most definitely understood Chiliasm and the Millennium: that's why he drew a distinction between "between the legitimate aspirations of devout souls" and the aberration of Chiliasm. Why are you trying to twist what the good Abbot wrote when it is clear as day to anyone who reads it for themselves?
As for my premise, I don't think you understand my premise at all. I am not promoting "spiritual millenarinism." Hoping and praying for peace to exist within individuals, within families and within society is not millenarianism or even modified millenarianism. It is what it means to be a Catholic living in the State of Grace. Hoping and praying that there will be cessation to centuries of Freemasonry's mortally sinful warmongering is in no way promoting Millenarianism.
It is entirely possible for the entire world to be Catholic right here and right now. It is also possible for the entire world to not only be Catholic but to live in a state of grace each and every day. Such a scenario would not see the abolition of sin, evil and suffering but would be a radially different status quo than what now exists. Such a scenario would be possible, not through some glorious coming - spiritual or otherwise - of Christ in Glory prior to the Second Coming. Rather, it it would be possible by means of the Sacraments and the mission of the Church. If such a view you call heretical, then I say you are the one with the problem, not me.
Ok,
So i accept what you say 100%. The question is then, if you are not promoting in any way a spiritual millennium, what was your problem with my essay; since it was based on what the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart means?
I ruled out a "cessarion of hostilities" precisely based on a spiritual millennium view . The CDF ruled it out in the Vassula notification of 1995.
The CDF ruled out something very specific. The words chosen were very specific. The CDF said:
"In millenarian style, it is prophesied that God is going to make a final glorious intervention which will initiate on earth, even before Christ's definitive coming, an era of peace and universal prosperity."
What was ruled out was a period of peace that is intitated, not by the Sacramental life of the Church, but rather by a final, glorious intervention. Big difference.
The Popes have been praying for peace between the nations for at least a century. Pope Francis has consistently prayed for peace and rallied against those who profit off of war. To say that the Church does not call or pray for a cessation of hostilities seems to be a gross misunderstanding of what the Church is actually saying.
Stephen, I think the above anonymous commentator is the same as the one who keeps posting about the consecration of Russia, and is coming at this from a different angle than Fr. Iannuzzi's supporters. But he won't sign his posts, so we have to be left guessing as to what comments belong to whom. Unless I'm wrong, his argument is that if there is a proper consecration of Russia specifically by name in unison with the world's bishops, then Russia will convert and lead to a historic period of triumph for the Church and universal peace on earth, and this is what the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary means.
The Blessed Virgin never promised universal peace on earth at Fatima, she promised that a "period of peace" or "certain time of peace" would be given to the world after the Second World War, which we have already seen with the worldwide collapse of Communism. Unfortunately, these entirely unrealistic expectations of worldwide universal peace in the wake of the consecration of Russia prevents many Catholics from recognizing what has already been accomplished through the intercession of the Blessed Virgin. I'm afraid you have raised the bar so high your expectations will never be met, even if there is a consecration carried out as specifically asked. You still have the problem of human free will in this scenario anonymous. At least Fr. Iannuzzi attempts to explain how this could be so through his use of his "living in the Divine Will" theory (which is really just the heresy of quietism). The Catechism teaches that the triumph of the Church can only take place through its Passover and resurrection.
Wasn't Russia specifically consecrated in 1954 by Pius XII? I'm not trying to derail the argument, I'm just curious.
Yes, Russia was specifically consecrated by Pius XII in 1942 and 1952. But not in union with the bishops. It has never been consecrated as specifically asked, i.e. Russia by name and in union with the bishops. But we still have the testimony by Sr. Lucia that the 1884 ceremony was "accepted by heaven", and that its fruits was in the downfall of the Soviet Union in 1991. There are conditional and unconditional aspects to the prophecy:
"If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she shall be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world." The consecration of Russia, its conversion and the period of peace was guaranteed in the Second Secret - it is destined to happen. This is what was effected through the 1984 consecration (although the conversion of Russia to Catholicism lies in the future, during the healing of the East/West schism by the Angelic Pope). The conditional aspect is whether or not Russia will be the chosen instrument of God's chastisement. It think it will remain so until it is "too late".
Emmett,
This is anon from the first post. Just to clarify: I do believe and accept that the 1984 Consecration fulfilled Our Lady of Fatima's request. The Church has said the Consecration was valid and so I accept that it was valid. I also believe that the period of peace promised at Fatima has yet to occur, a position Pope Benedict took in 2010 where he prayed that the Triumph would commence prior to the centenary. You seem to believe that the period of peace promised at Fatima is synonymous with the Second Coming. I find this to be an extremely weird position and one that doesn't jive at all in my mind with the message of Fatima. As for Father Iannuzzi, I am not a follower of his and know very little about him other than that he has been accused here of dabbling in millenarianism.
anon from the last post here,
Just to clarify. Pope Benedict did not at any stage pray that the triumph would occur by 2017.What he prayed was that it would be hastened. They are two totally different things
Anon, I'm glad you distance yourself from Fr. Iannuzzi's theories, and that you refer to a "period of peace" rather than an "era". My apologies for assuming that you were advancing the spiritual millenarianism of Fr. Iannuzzi. But you really should catch up on what Stephen Walford has already established about the authority of that book in your possession. It is not magisterial - only certain documents published by the pope fall under the category of the ordinary magisterium (which is infallible). You need to set that book aside. I don't believe that the prophesied period of peace at Fatima is concerned with the Second Coming, but that it is here now, and has been since the end of the Cold War. There will never be an end to evil on earth, such a prospect only lies beyond this world, after the eschatological judgement. That is the Triumph, when we follow Our Lord in his Via Dolorosa.
Also, please sign your posts so we can distinguish you from other anonymous posters with similar views. Anything will do. Otherwise, we have to presume that Mr. Herring is responsible for all anonymous posts.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-cardinal-burke-calls-for-consecration-of-russia-to-immaculate-hear
BREAKING: Cardinal Burke calls for Consecration of Russia to Immaculate Heart of Mary
chris
Expertrfive.com/interview-dr-michael-hesemann-fatima-expert/
https://onepeterfive.com/interview-dr-michael-hesemann-fatima-expert/
Interview with Dr. Michael Hesemann, Fatima Expe
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Historic Moment for Many Catholics … Vatican Investigation Concludes “Medjugorje Apparitions are Real”
http://www.mysticpost.com/2017/05/historic-moment-many-catholics-vatican-investigation-concludes-medjugorje-apparitions-real/
chris
https://thefivebeasts.wordpress.com/2015/06/29/the-five-beasts-of-st-hildegard-and-revelation-17-the-beast-with-seven-heads/
The Five Beasts of St. Hildegard and Revelation 17: The Beast with Seven Heads
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The Celestial Phenomenon on Sept. 23 and Revelation 12
https://thefivebeasts.wordpress.com/2017/04/18/the-celestial-phenomenon-on-sept-23-and-revelation-12/
The timing of this, occurring during the centenary of Fatima and the Miracle of the Sun, may also suggest it’s the harbinger of a response to the disregard of Our Lady’s requests.
An astute observation by Catholic journalist points in this direction. Writing about the significance of the upcoming astronomical phenomenon, Patrick Archibold recalled a communication from Our Lord received by Fatima seer Sister Lucia in 1931:
“Make it known to My ministers, given that they follow the example of the King of France in delaying the execution of My requests, they will follow him into misfortune.”
Archibold explains that on June 17, 1689 Saint Margaret Mary Alacoque, following Christ’s direction, implored King Louis XIV to consecrate France to the Sacred Heart. This was never accomplished and exactly 100 years later, to the day, King Louis XVI was stripped of authority when the Third Estate declared itself the sole authority to conduct the affairs of France. The Revolution had commenced; the King would be executed four years later and the Catholic Church would suffer despoliation and persecution.
God gave the French 100 years to comply with his requests and Lucia is telling Church authorities that they will have the same. The 100-year period of the Fatima apparition concludes on Oct. 13, 2017, the anniversary of the Miracle of the Sun, the same month that the pope is headed to Sweden to celebrate the Reformation. If that day passes without a significant event that would suggest that a difficult time for the Church lies ahead, perhaps we should all breathe a sigh of relief.
chris
1984 did not fulfill Our Lady's request. The Consecration was partial, with a partial response from Heaven. The October miracle at Fatima was partial because the children were kidnapped. St John Paul's intention was to mention Russia but it was kidnapped by Fatima's enemies. Since St John Paul's heartfelt intention was not known by all Bishops how can we say it was fulfilled? Cardinal Burke is calling for a Consecration to Russia to redress the balance thus "in the end my Immaculate Heart will triumph".
https://onepeterfive.com/amidst-conflicting-fatima-secrets-a-clear-message-shines/
Amidst Conflicting Fatima “Secrets,” a Clear Message Shines
Steve Skojec Steve Skojec May 17, 2017 113 Comments
Sometimes, it’d be nice if things were a bit less complicated.
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pressed by Zavala on why he so forcefully believes that the consecration was not done, Fr. Amorth replied: “Very simple: John Paul II wanted to mention Russia expressly, but in the end he did not.”
Zavala pressed the issue with Fr. Amorth, saying that Sister Lucia herself (as mentioned above) had said that Heaven had accepted the consecration. He describes an incredulous reaction from Fr. Amorth. “Lucia said that…?” He asked. Zavala continues:
“Well, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone said it, in the year 2000, hiding behind a letter [escudándose en una carta] from Lucia dated November 1989, in which she stated that Heaven had admitted consecration in spite of one of the most important conditions.
“Have you seen that letter?” He asks, as if conducting a police interrogation in search of evidence.
“Never,” I say flatly.
“I do not think you’ll ever see it, because I’m convinced that Lucia did not write it.”
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Moreover,” he adds, “if the consecration of the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary made by Pius XII in 1942 was only partially accepted [because he did not specifically mention Russia – ed], for Jesus said that in view of it the war would only be shortened rather than finished immediately, why would He now change his mind with John Paul II, if Russia was not mentioned on this occasion?”
“It would be an incongruity, yes.”
“Rather.”
“So…?”
“I have no doubt that the consecration did not occur in the terms required by the Virgin. But we must not lose sight of what she herself wanted to tell us through Lucia: ‘In the end My Heart Immaculate will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me and it will become, granting itself to the world A time of peace’…”
There is a caveat to the----https://onepeterfive.com/interview-dr-michael-hesemann-fatima-expert/ interview with Dr. Michael Hesemann, Fatima Expert.
Dr. Hesemann has expressed and written articles that have included errors about Father Nicholas Gruner. I am not going to point out these differences because I think you are aware of the lies told of Father Gruner if you are a devotee to Our Lady. I comment only to alert readers that it is very difficult to find unbiased writing and commentary regarding this subject.
This article has some thought provoking insights.
Chris
last one
https://onepeterfive.com/amidst-conflicting-fatima-secrets-a-clear-message-shines/
Fr. Gabriele furrows his brow and sticks out his chin. He seems very affected.
“Indeed,” he states, “One day Padre Pio said to me very sorrowfully: ‘You know, Gabriele? It is Satan who has been introduced into the bosom of the Church and within a very short time will come to rule a false Church.’”
“Oh my God! Some kind of Antichrist! When did he prophesy this to you?” I [Zavala] ask.
“It must have been about 1960, since I was already a priest then.”
“Was that why John XXIII had such a panic about publishing the Third Secret of Fatima, so that the people wouldn’t think that he was the anti-pope or whatever it was …?”
A slight but knowing smile curls the lips of Father Amorth.
“Did Padre Pio say anything else to you about future catastrophes: earthquakes, floods, wars, epidemics, hunger …? Did he allude to the same plagues prophesied in the Holy Scriptures?”
“Nothing of the sort mattered to him, however terrifying they proved to be, except for the great apostasy within the Church. This was the issue that really tormented him and for which he prayed and offered a great part of his suffering, crucified out of love.”
“The Third Secret of Fatima?”
“Exactly.”
“Is there any way to avoid something so terrible, Fr. Gabriele?”
“There is hope, but it’s useless if it’s not accompanied by works. Let us begin by consecrating Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, let us recite the Holy Rosary, let us all do prayer and penance …”
if all of this drives you to drink, may i suggest a catholic approved beverage..........
https://birranursia.com/#beer
chris
Hey Emmett,
Something occurred to me the other day, and I'm curious what you might think of it.
Fatima started out on May 13th, 1917, but there wasn't any attention paid to it. The only earthly participants were the three children. May 13th, 2017, was a day with no great events as well - merely the beginning of the centenary.
The three seers were given the vision of Hell on July 13, 1917.
The Miracle of the Sun was on October 13th, 1917.
So what do you think of the idea that bigger events may be in store as the centenary moves along? Might there be some kind of Marian event in July that grips the worlds attention, and focuses us on the darkness that's so obvious to some of us these days? Might there be an even bigger event in store for October?
I guess what I'm saying is, what if the centenary plays out in much the same way as the original visions? How likely do you think such a string of events might be?
I know it's a loaded series of questions, and no one really knows the answer. But I'm curious if you have a feel for how the next few months will play out.
Mark
I really have no idea Mark, beyond pure speculation. But, yes, it seems feasible that the major events are yet to come, and I have always suspected that if anything, they would arrive later in the year. I don't want to get roped into "prophesying" anything though. This is something I am incapable of. But I do take note of certain coincidences, since I feel this is part and parcel of the way God acts within history. My gut feeling is that the date of 23rd Sept, 2017 does point to something significant, but exactly what this could be is still very much an uncertainty.
Thanks, Emmett. I'm perfectly content with a little pure speculation. :)
Is this a messsage /warning?
https://phys.org/news/2015-04-asteroid-tc4-earth-october.html
Will asteroid 2012 TC4 hit Earth in oct?
https://lagniappeobserving.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-asteroid-2012-tc4-is-making-safe.html
chris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpR42mUAuP
Mark BILITZ talks about Nineva, Jonah, and the total solar eclipse coming in 2017
8 MINUTES
Very informative
chris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZwiATa50Xg
Rabbi Mark Biltz Fully explains "As a Thief in the Night"
These talks are very interesting and informative
I do not believe in a rapture and disagree with his time frames
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cCf1K-Bbhw
chris
Chris, sounds like this guy Mark Biltz has lifted his material on the sign of Jonah and the upcoming eclipse on 21st Aug 2017 directly from my blog. Also, that wasn't the right link you posted, you left a letter out. It should be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpR42mUAuPo
Emmett,
A while back on one of your blog postings (can't remember which one) I recall you considering that the Great Monarch and Angelic Pope are types of the Two Witnesses. I agree that they are types of the Two Witnesses. And we know that the final, endtime Two Witnesses - Enoch and Elijah - are described in Sacred Scripture as "two olive trees standing before God." Now this is why I bring this up: I believe Trump may indeed be the Great Monarch. We learned recently that his wife Melania is Catholic and so a conversion to Catholicism is highly probable for Trump which would only further confirm my suspicions. But it was something that Pope Francis said to Trump during the recent meeting that immediately caught my attention. Pope Francis told him: "It is my desire that you become an olive tree to construct peace." Trump for his part commited to doing everything in his power to work for peace. And while the Fake News Midstream Media would have us believe that Pope Francis was sour during Trump's audience, it was evident by the end of the meeting that the two of them genuinely enjoyed each others' company. Is this the early stages of what will become a working relationship between the Great Monarch and Angelic Pope? I believe it is. For those who would counter by saying that Trump is not French and therefore cannot fulfill the ancient prophecies, I would remind them that most of the prophecies claim that he is either French, German, or Spanish origin, not necessarily exclusively French. St. Bridget of Sweden prophesied that he would be a "son of man, the parnevu of the sea.” She was writing in the 1350’s before Columbus had discovered the New World. St. Briget also said that the Great Monarch was a German Royal born in exile. Trump's Grandfather was born in Germany. Royal blood? Trump certainly has a royal charism about him. We live in an age of "democracy" but there was a time when Christendom was ruled by Kings. Europe rejected their Kings for the lies of Freemasonry, but whose to say that the Kings will not rise again and the democracies die alongside the Apostasy they helped nurture? I believe the kings are rising again. One such king (or "czar") rules in Russia today much to the consternation of the Freemasons who have run the West for so many centuries. By many accounts Putin has royal blood as well and he would also make a strong candidate for the Great Monarch as well - in some ways Putin even fulfills the "Great Monarch" prophecies to a greater extent than Trump. Both Putin and Trump have many of the same enemies and I believe both of them have royal blood. I think one of them is the Great Monarch. Only time will tell but I don't think we've ever had so many signs that the Great Monarch is near.
Emmett;
THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING THE LINK ACCESS.AS FOR MR. BILITZ, I have been following his insights into Jewish history, and his knowledge of astronomy and am enjoying his insights. I do not accept his millenial and rapture beliefs.
As for his eclipse comments, i will have to check when he first talked about it.. he had his ideas regarding the blood red moon stolen so i think he would be sensetive to
"borrowing" other peoples ideas without giving credit. i will post if i find info.
Am enjoying your book.
chris
emmett;
april 2017 is the first i see him posting about this topic. You were much earlier and much more comprehensive and detailed. I cannot however, without proof defame his name.
The popularity and respect derived from your blog will have to be your manna to help you endure this vail of tears.
chris
http://www.mysticpost.com/2017/05/medjugorje-makes-drudge-report-apparition-virgin-mary-set-world-wide-awareness/
That Drudge linked to an uneventful Medjugorje news story is not the important point. The important point is the fact that Drudge actually linked to a Medjugorje story in the first place.
Drudge Report is colossal in its reach and influence in setting news agendas. Drudge boasts of having over one billion page views a month – this is more page views than Google News, New York Times and the Washington Post combined. Network news stories are often determined by Drudge’s featured headlines. And somehow Medjugorje made its way into the conscience of editors at Drudge.
I have often believed that Medjugorje would make a fascinating 60 minutes story and it can be small events like a Drudge Report link that can move the story of Medjugorje up the news chain.
Why does this matter? Mystic Post believes it matters because coming to know Medjugorje converts people. Medjugorje saves souls. Our Lady, the Queen of Peace, leads people to her Son and puts people on a path to salvation. Medjugorje is the confessional for the world and the more people hear about Medjugorje the more people will go to confession and with this Satan will begin to lose his power,
chris
Chris -
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-i-am-suspicious-of-ongoing-medjugorje-apparitions-68961/
Mark
could we be much closer than we think???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWSHEQgul_s
peace deal
chris
Emmett;
Last one!!
Yesterday, the 25th, Obama gave a speech from the altar of Zeus, Pergamon, in Berlin.
Have you heard it and has your educated ear detected any concealed message for our times?
Chris
Mark;
Thanks!!
I find this guy very difficult to follow. He has put forth non catholic ideas, every time he gives an interview it must be deciphered several times before an agreed meaning. I have seen several articles about the decision on Medjugorje commenting on its ridiculous decision about early and late, confessional vs.......
I have a feeling this year will end up starting many wheels in motion. If I recall, Mary said the time will come when we will yearn for these messages.
Perhaps a reference to a coming decision.
I have made the conclusion that the 100 year reference to France by sister mary start in 1919 . concluding and revealing itself along with several possible natural cosmic events tracing to 2029.
As for Medjugorje I await as others to a final decision.
I am aware of many humble, believing people who would dump their belief in this magisterium if medjugorje is denounced.
It's getting interesting
thank you again!!
chris
that is 1929
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http://www.mysticpost.com/2017/05/time-magazine-makes-huge-mistake-recent-cover-ironically-mixes-kremlin-st-basil-cathedral-unwittingly-calls-mind-catholic-prophecy/
ime Magazine Makes Huge Mistake on Recent Cover…Ironically Mixes Up Kremlin with St. Basil Cathedral – Unwittingly Calls to Mind Catholic Prophecy
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Mark;
A few at the fatima crusader agree with you!!
http://www.fatimaperspectives.com/sv/perspective1014.asp
More on the Ridiculous “Ruini” Report
by Christopher A. Ferrara
May 23, 2017
An article in the Catholic Herald reveals further depths of absurdity in the Ruini Commission's and the Vatican's approach to the pseudo-apparitions at Medjugorje. The Herald, citing Fr. Salvatore Perrella, president of the Pontifical Institute Marianum and a member of the Commission, confirms that, laughably enough, the Commission “opted to distinguish between what occurred in the first 10 days and what has occurred in the follow
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http://www.wnd.com/1999/08/2318/
MALACHI MARTIN: DISPELLING THE MYTHS
I want people to know that after 25 years as a Jesuit, Malachi did
in fact receive a special dispensation personally from Pope Paul VI
regarding his status within the Church,” Fr. Fiore said. “That is
perfectly rare, but also perfectly within the rights of the Holy See to
grant.”
“But Malachi also received permission to remain a priest and made
sure he told Paul VI that he desired to keep his vow of chastity so he
could continue his work as a laicized priest,” Fr. Fiore told me.
Malachi still gave Mass, still heard confession, and still was,
in fact, a priest in every sense of the word...............................................................................................
chris
Chris,
That Malachi Martin piece is from 1999, so it's nothing new.
To me, he's an enigma wrapped in a mystery. In history, we judge sources in a variety of ways, one of which is - was the person recording an event in the right place at the right time to actually know any of the facts recorded. Martin certainly was in the right place at the right time. He claims to have seen the full and real text of the Third Secret of Fatima. But we have no way of knowing whether or not he really did. He was in the right place to see what was really happening atVatican II. But he's never provided any actual documentation of what he's claimed. Uncannily accurate? At times, yes. Verifiable? No.
But he profited from his books, and lived outside the norms of the church. He didn't wear clerical clothes, he lived in an apartment, etc. HIs main conduit of information was via Art Bell, of all things. He also believed in a literal three days of darkness (which I think is HIGHLY unlikely).
He said two things that I think are actually measurable. In 1997, he told Art Bell that the anti-Christ was already "abroad". And he told Bell that we didn't have 20 years left before a great chastisement took place, that would impact everything from governments to economies to the Church herself. That was in 1997, so it has to happen before the end of this year, or we can discount Martin as a viable source.
Martin very difficult to sort out.
Mark
Mark,
I find it surprising that you can't imagine a world darkness. Akita and others are warning of a world calamity. Catholic prophecy about a comet so close that it will carry the worlds corrupt atmosphere with it when it passes.The bible tells of the burning mountain. The war of ezek 35 will probably ignite the mid east oil fields.
and more.............
He was forgiven his poverty vows. He gave most of his earnings to help people. Easily available to find if you want to verify. Outside the norms of the church??????// THe POPE granted him dispensation to allow him to live as he did. He
WAS NOT under the management of a local bishop. Its all available if you choose to read.
I too thought about the Art BEll. Did you ever listen to the shows?? He brought information of Catholicism to hundreds of thousands of radio agnostics. He answered questions for people. As for the secret, he says he was there when it was originally read, and bound to secrecy. If he was a charlatan he could have broken that covenant for world attention!!
I think regarding the antichrist he could have got caught up in the milenial fears of a new century. But he explained the concept of .. Paul. “Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day [of Christ’s second coming] will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction. . . . And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work” (2 Thessalonians 2:3, 6–7).
It seems the devil does not know the exact time of when the Jews will finally accept Jesus and thus allow the return. To battle this problem it seems there is always someone in the wings to become this evil when necessary.
And you are correct. Whenever someone becomes so inspired as to give dates , they are proven incorrect.
Was he the perfect champion of ours? no!
But he did enough that the other side tried to grind him into non believable.
One caveat, Fatima, the stars are all predicting something. I HOPE he will be wrong.
chris
http://www.journal.com.ph/news/world/bosnian-town-defends-virgin-sightings
Bosnian town defends Virgin sightings
May 27, 2017
Whoever tells me that nothing happens in Medjugorje, I tell them to come here and try it,” the 72-year-old Belgian woman said.
chris
http://www.enfantsdemedjugorje.fr/comment-interpreter-les-paroles-du-pape-francois-le-13-mai-dans-lavion-lisbonne-rome/
How to interpret the words of Pope Francis May 13 in the plane Lisbon-Rome?
chris
Chris,
You've taken what I said WAY out of context. I don't accept the idea of Three Days of Darkness as being literal. I think it's pretty much where we are now - the last three or four decades. And none of us is bound to accept private revelation as literal.
Mark
ok
forgive me --not intentional
I go for a more literal interpretation. Allegory class closed in 1948.
to each his own.
enjoy the holiday.
chris
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra: “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, <not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”
If the above statement was true from Pope Eugene IV, can someone please tell me what the Roman Catholic Church now believes?
Thursday, October 1, 1981 In Medjugorje The Gospa answered the following after questions were asked of her.
Are all religions the same?
"Members of all faiths are equal before God. God rules over each faith just like a sovereign over his kingdom. In the world, all religions are not the same because all people have not complied with the commandments of God. They reject and disparage them."
Are all churches the same?
"In some, one prays to God more. In others, less. That depends on the priests who motivate others to pray. That also depends on the power which they have."
These responses do not seem to equate to the above from Pope Eugene IV!
To Anonymous on May 26 at 12:33,
Great insight on the Great Monarch. I've often suspected that great leaders like Putin and Trump are archetypes for the Great Monarch. One of them might even be the real deal given the current state of affairs, particularly the demonic hostility to both Trump and Putin by apostate, Freemason establishment as well as the Muslim migrant invasion of Europe that has been underway for some time coupled with the loss of Faith in what was once known as "Christendom." I'd put more money on Putin than Trump, given that Putin has actually defended the remnant Catholics in the Middle East with real actions rather than mere words. Putin has also stood up to the Freemason, satanic West with real actions rather than mere words, and Russians have suffered real consequences (sanctions for example) for defending Christianity at home and abroad. It is still too early to make a firm conclusion on Trump and although he sounded promising during the campaign, his recent bombing of Syria forced me to reconsider him. However, it may just be too early to tell and there are signs that his Presidency has been hijacked from within. He may need more time to root out the traitors and Obama leftovers within the Deep State.
I'd ignore Medjugorje. It's sad to see so many Catholics who have put so much spiritual stock into Medjugorje given that Pope Francis will most likely issue a final, negative ruling very soon. It will be interesting to see how the Medjugorje cult will react to a final, negative ruling. Will they obey or will they go into schism?
FlyingNun:
To answer your question, presumed sincere, regarding what the Church teaches in regards to other faiths:
"The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Moslems..." (Lumen Gentium 16)
(Read further in that section regarding God's plan of salvation even for those who "strive to live a good life")
Regarding the alleged messages you quote, none of us know if it's happening or not until the Church says, but I don't see a problem with:
"Members of all faiths are equal before God."
Aren't all people equal in the eyes of God? Certainly they are.
"God rules over each faith just like a sovereign over his kingdom."
God rules over the entire universe and all that is in it. Why would any part of it be excluded from his reign, even "those who don't know their right hand from their left" and for whom he spared Ninevah? (Jonah 4.11)
"Even though incorporated into the Church, one who does not however persevere in charity is not saved." (Lumen Gentium 14)
Mark L.
The Flying Nun -
There's a very deep history to this. It's often stated as, "Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus" - Outside the Church there is no salvation. It goes back to the third century, and has been pronounced ex cathedra or in councils at least three times.
The problem with sorting this out online is that you'll run into various people that profess absolute knowledge of this subject, but know very little in reality. They will either condemn the Church for such a statement, or condemn everyone outside the Church for such a statement.
This quote is often used to support the condemnation of everyone outside the Church, "No man can find salvation except in the Catholic Church. Outside the Catholic Church one can have everything except salvation. One can have honor, one can have sacraments, one can sing alleluia, one can answer amen, one can have faith in the Name of the Father and the Son and of the Holy Ghost, and preach it too, but never can one find salvation except in the Catholic Church." This is from St. Augustine.
But St. Augustine also said, "How many sheep there are without, how many wolves within!"
The Catechism says, "the phrase, "Outside the Church there is no salvation", means, if put in positive terms, that "all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body", and "is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church". And, "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men." And, "she [the Church] is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter", and that "those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways."
So, I think what you can get at is this - Rejection of Christ and his teachings leads to hell. Invincible ignorance does not lead to hell, but may not lead to heaven. And the definition of "Church" is critical here.
Think of it this way - if you take away the capital letters from Catholic Church, what do you get? You get "outside the church there is no salvation", or, "outside the catholic church there is no salvation." This renders the meaning to be the universal church of Christ, not just the Latin Rite of Roman Catholicism. This would be more indicative of what the Catechism says than what the Council of Trent is thought to say. The quotes from St. Augustine were clearly written before the Reformation/Revolution of Luther, so it's easy to say that he would have meant Christians in general.
How you get from this to Pope Francis' comment that even atheists can get to heaven - well, that's beyond my capability to explain. You assume an atheist has rejected Christ, and in so doing has left themselves with a single path after death. But clearly I don't think like a pope.
Medjugorje Secrets – Detailed and Comprehensive Video – Question: “Will the “Sign” appear in our lifetime? – Ivan “Yes”
We will know if Medjugorje is true by its happenings-BUT..to paraphrase -----if you wait until the secrets unfold it will be too late!!-----
http://www.mysticpost.com/2017/05/medjugorje-secrets-detailed-comprehensive-video-will-sign-appear-lifetime-ivan-yes/
chris
"Those who are still alive when the permanent sign appears will................."
More hints at a world in physical turmoil , or a world at war. People will see the sin and STILL NOT BELIEVE. THE APOSTASY take hold over the whole earth.
The only conclusion is we are headed for and near monumental change,
chris
most viewed medugorje video info re religions
http://www.mysticpost.com/2017/03/viewed-medjugorje-video-learn-one-amazing-important-supernatural-events-time/
chris
Underlying the story is the disclosure by the Mother of Jesus that she will never come to earth again in apparition.
If this is true, what deductions can we make about the future?
If the seer is correct, in his lifetime secrets will unveil!
Add akita, africa and fatima.
Immediate future is dramatic to say the least.
chris
https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/88858/rabbi-warns-pagan-arch-end-days-gateway-will-walk/#2H3rvExvTW1mXZql.97
Arch of Ba’al, With Shadowy Ties to New World Order, May Be Messiah’s End-of-Days Gateway: Rabbi
Read more at https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/88858/rabbi-warns-pagan-arch-end-days-gateway-will-walk/#QZ0kaRgTYm4dDMWv.99
A pagan arch erected in Italy one month before the meeting of the world’s most powerful leaders in the same country may be the portal whose opening could usher in the age of the Messiah – or a sinister World Order, a prominent rabbi has claimed.
The rabbi believes that the two events – the unveiling last month of a replica of the Palmyra Arch, a symbol of paganism and idol worship, and the recent G7 summit, representing the coming together of world powers – are deeply and troublingly connected.
chris
Rabbi Assur said that the arch’s role in bringing the Messiah was explicitly described in the Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin (78a).
The disciples of Rabbi Yossi the son of Kisma questioned him, asking when the son of David (the Messiah) will appear. And he answered: I am afraid you will request from me a sign as well. And they assured him that they would not. He then said to them: When this gate will fall, be rebuilt and fall again, be rebuilt again and fall again. And before it will be rebuilt for the third time the Messiah will appear.
Revered Jewish scholar Rashi, a medieval rabbi who authored a canonical commentary on the Torah, wrote that the arch mentioned by Rabbi Yossi was “a Roman arch in a Roman city”.
another bishop calls for consecration of russia
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/bishop-schneider-consecration-will-bring-russia-to-the-fullness-of-conversi
Bishop Schneider: Consecration will bring Russia ‘to the fullness of conversion’
chris
Here is an easy way to remember first friday and saturdays..
SEND IT TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS
http://www.first-fridays.us/
Those who faithfully complete the First Friday devotion for nine consecutive months are promised the following, as told to Roman Catholic nun St. Margaret Mary Alacoque by Our Lord Jesus Christ:
I will give them all of the graces necessary for their state of life.
I will establish peace in their homes.
I will comfort them in all their afflictions.
I will be their strength during life and above all during death.
I will bestow a large blessing upon all their undertakings.
Sinners shall find in My Heart the source and the infinite ocean of mercy.
Tepid souls shall grow fervent.
Fervent souls shall quickly mount to high perfection.
I will bless every place where a picture of my heart shall be set up and honored.
I will give to priests the gift of touching the most hardened hearts.
Those who shall promote this devotion shall have their names written in My Heart, never to be blotted out.
I promise you in the excessive mercy of My Heart that My all-powerful love will grant all to those who communicate on the First Friday in nine consecutive months the grace of final penitence; they shall not die in My disgrace nor without receiving their sacraments; My Divine Heart shall be their safe refuge in this last moment.
To gain these blessings there are just three simple requirements to complete each month.
- See more at: http://www.first-fridays.us/Home/First-Friday-Promises#sthash.iGylMbPx.dpuf
chris
HI Emmett,
I've been thinking about the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart in conjunction with your posts about the Great Leader coming from England and playing a large role in converting the world through the Anglican Communion.
With the Episcopalian Church on its way to dying out in the US, I wondered how this would happen here. This clip from the 700 Club, of all places, may give us a hint.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFbCPw6qzMA
Young conservative American Christians learning about the beauty of liturgical worship and the real presence could very well put them on the road to the Catholic Church, or at the very least, position them to follow the Great Leader from the Church of England to the Church in Rome.
Renee
All bishops of the area have denied authenticity to Medjugorje. Good Catholics accept that decision. Satan ultimately wins in hearts of those who don't.
Blogger psieve2 said...
All bishops of the area have denied authenticity to Medjugorje. Good Catholics accept that decision. Satan ultimately wins in hearts of those who don't.
10 June 2017 at 19:07
This should all but wrap it up but all devotees want it to continue by sheer popularity. If they had given half that energy to Fatima , we might have a consecration of Russia by now!
Mark L and Mark W and others.
Mark L you said:
"The quotes from St. Augustine were clearly written before the Reformation/Revolution of Luther, so it's easy to say that he would have meant Christians in general."
So I am confused, are you saying that St. Augustine would have possibly stated that all Christians outside the catholic church would have salvation? Because I found the following that was allegedly written by him.
Baptism does not profit a man outside unity with the Church ... For many heretics also possess this Sacrament but not the fruits of salvation ... The benefits which flow from Baptism are necessarily fruits which belong to the true Church alone. Children Baptized in other communions cease to be members of the Church when, after reaching the age of reason, they make formal profession of heresy, as, for example, by receiving communion in a non-Catholic Church.
This salvation thing is very confusing. So, I have another question for you guys. Is the Catholic Church saying that protestants that follow their sacraments and are charitable do have salvation or may have salvation? This also applies to Muslims also?
For example, a Roman Catholic who robs a bank with full intent and knowledge which is a Mortal sin and does not confess to a priest but instead confesses to God, will go to hell, but a protestant who confesses to God will go to heaven.
Here is a good article I found on salvation.
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-there-really-no-salvation-outside-the-catholic-church
I saw in interview once with Mel Gibson, when The Passion of the Christ was released. He said something like:
"They have a path to salvation, but it's rocky and hard, and really beyond our understanding. For us Catholics, it's easier. We have the sacraments, so it's easier for us."
I like the way Staples frames it: "...anyone who is ever saved is not saved by his or her false religious beliefs (i.e. Judaism that rejects Christ, Islam that denies Jesus is the Son of God, etc.); rather, they can be saved in spite of them."
As to the muslim thing, that's a bit different. The CCC is only taking the muslim's at their word. This comes from one thing: they profess to be a faith descended from Abraham. I think that's the key. They could be within the realm of salvation given the connection, ultimately, to Abraham. But they would be saved in spite of themselves.
You might check out Jimmy Akin's book, "The Salvation Controversy." I haven't read it myself, but I do understand that it gets VERY deeply into this subject.
near death experience info
interesting
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2545668/Is-proof-near-death-experiences-ARE-real-Extraordinary-new-book-intensive-care-nurse-reveals-dramatic-evidence-says-banish-fear-dying.html
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/dubia-cardinals-seek-papal-audience
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/cardinal-joachim-meisner-dies-at-83
part medjugorje message Jan. 25, 2017 "Satan is strong and wants to turn all of you against God, and to return you to everything that is human, and to destroy in the heart all feelings towards God and the things of God. You, little children, pray and fight against materialism, modernism and egoism, which the world offers to you. "
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