Thursday 21 February 2013

The "Glory of the Olive" and the Year 2012?

Troyes Cathedral (Cathédrale Saint-Pierre-et-Saint-Paul de Troyes) in Champagne, France - the location of the relics of St. Malachy and St. Bernard of Clairvaux.

Another striking coincidence surrounding the coming papal conclave and the significance of the Worthy Shepherd Prophecy can be found in some unique research which calculated the significance of St. Malachy's "Glory of the Olive" as pertaining to the year 2012. As most readers will already know, I discussed in the previous posts here and here, how the prophecy of Bl. Tomasuccio de Foligno (1319-1377) pointed to this exact time period for the election of the Angelic Pope of Catholic prophecy, who is foretold to heal the Great Schism between the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches. This would thus be the fulfilment of the promise of Our Lady of Fatima, that "In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she shall be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world":

"One from beyond the mountains shall become the Vicar Of God. Religious and clerics shall take part in this change. Outside the true path, there will be only disreputable men; I shrug my shoulders when the Bark of Peter is in danger and there is no one to lend it help... The schismatic shall fall into the scorn of the Italian faithful... By about twelve years shall the millennium have passed when the resplendent mantle of legitimate power shall emerge from the shadows where it was being kept by the schism. And beyond harm from the one who is blocking the door of salvation, for his deceitful schism shall have come to an end. And the mass of the faithful shall attach itself to the worthy Shepherd, who shall extricate each one from error and restore to the Church its beauty. He shall renew it."

But another interesting fact is that in a book dating back to 1951 called La Mystérieuse prophétie des papes (Namur: Bibliothèque de la Faculté de philosophie et lettres, 1951, Imprimatur: June 28, 1945, Et. Jos. Carton de Wiart), Belgian Jesuit scholar Fr. René Thibaut attempted to demonstrate how the significance of St. Malachy's list of popes actually pointed to a specific year for the significance of the motto "Glory of the Olive" - the year 2012. 
Unfortunately, Fr. Thibaut's work remains unpublished in English. However, writing in 2009, Elena Maria Vidal summarises Fr. Thibaut's work at some considerable length in her blog Tea at St. Trinian's.

Fr. Thibaut’s research reveals that there is a great deal more to the Prophecy than I had ever imagined. It is a penetrating treatise which, because of the author’s vast knowledge of Church history and Sacred Scripture, both informs and inspires. The middle of the book is devoted to charts tracing the date of Easter over the years, and the leap years, as well as various ciphers, anagrams and acrostics with which, as Fr. Thibaut demonstrates, the list of Popes is imbued. Fr. Thibaut’s analysis becomes complex at that point although he explains his conclusions with clarity.

Fr. Thibaut maintains that the Prophecy of the Popes is a genuine prophecy. However, the identity of the actual prophet remains unclear. The author of the Prophecy is probably not
St Malachy but someone who wrote under the name of the great Irish saint in order to honor him. (p.7) Fr. Thibaut insists that the Prophecy is not meant to worry or disturb but to reassure the faithful about the Providence of God during even the most difficult of times. It is a sort of litany which celebrates the glory and triumph of the universal Church throughout the ages under the leadership of the Roman pontiffs. (p.24) It was a mistake for people of the past (and present) to use the list of popes in order to predict who the next pope would be, for that was never the intention of the original author. (p.20) Neither is it meant to herald the imminent end of the world, because "of that day and hour no one knoweth, not the angels of heaven, but the Father alone." (Matthew 24:36)

According to Fr. Thibaut, the papal legate
Nicholas Sanders (1530-1581) may have brought a primitive document containing the Prophecy to Rome during the reign of St. Pius V. Sanders spent a great deal of time in Ireland, which continued to be Catholic in spite of Elizabeth I. Sanders wrote De visibili Monarchia Ecclesiae in which he states that the reigns of the popes are the best “measure of time.” (pp. 23-24) Fr. Thibaut believes that the Prophecy, eventually made public by Wion in 1595, has qualities which indicate an older document of Celtic origin, namely due to the word play and the use of numbers in the various anagrams and acrostics. (p.92) Reading Fr. Thibaut’s explanation of the complex patterns of words and numbers embedded in the list reminds me of the intricacy of the Celtic knot work designs in the Book of Kells and other Irish illuminated manuscripts, albeit the intricacy is in numbers and letters rather than designs.

Of the 111 titles describing all the popes and anti-popes from 1143 to the present, Fr. Thibaut says that while the first 71 titles have been subjected to the tampering of a forger, the last 40, which cover the years 1572 to 2012, are untouched. The year of 2012 is repeatedly emphasized as coinciding with the last Pope on the list, called the “Glory of the Olive.” Fr. Thibaut demonstrates the calculation of the year 2012 on a series of charts. The last 40 popes of the genuine part of the prophecy span four centuries with an average of eleven years per reign, and so he calculates 440 years from 1572. 1572 +440 =2012. (pp. 22-23) Fr. Thibaut shows how the year 2012 keeps appearing in other calculations as well. He also insists that it will only be in the year 2012 that it will become clear whether his interpretation of The Prophecy is correct or not. (p.101)

Fr. Thibaut says that 2012 signifies the end of an era in the history of the Church, recalling how other eras have come and gone. The destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 marked the close of an era, as did the fall of Rome in the fifth century. The fifteenth century saw the end of medieval Christianity with the Reformation. (p.22) The Revolutions of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries as well as the World Wars of the twentieth century were events which manifested the judgment of God as well as signaling changes for the Church and the world. (pp. 88, 92, 96)Throughout such stages, the Church has been guided by the successors of St. Peter. (p. 22)

Speaking of St. Peter, the list concludes with the following phrase: "In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people.” Fr. Thibaut explains how “Peter the Roman” does not signify a future pope calling himself “Pope Peter II” but rather Petrus Romanus symbolizes all the Roman pontiffs since St. Peter, for the Church has continually undergone persecution of some kind. (p.25) The destruction of Rome will not necessarily follow immediately after the end of the era in 2012, but may come at a later date. (p.21) Nevertheless, Fr. Thibaut surmises that it is not unthinkable that at some point in the future the Popes may change their residence and govern the Church from somewhere other than the city of Rome. (p.22)

The final pope on the list is given the title Gloriae olivae, “The Glory of the Olive.” Fr. Thibaut says that the olive represents the people of God whom His judgment will glorify. (p.97) Once again, Fr. Thibaut insists that the Prophecy is genuine since so often in the last 400 years the titles have accurately described a pope and his reign, too many times for it to be pure chance. This is discussed in great detail and perhaps will be the topic of a future blog post. (To do full justice to such an exhaustive work is beyond the scope of one or two blog articles.) Fr. Thibaut ends by saying: L'année 2012 dira si, oui ou non, le prophê
te a vu clair. (p.101) That remains to be seen.
(See the full article here, which is continued in some more detail here)

(For those whose French is a bit rusty, "L'année 2012 dira si, oui ou non, le prophête a vu clair" translates as "The year 2012 will tell whether or not the Prophet saw clear")

Also a commentator on the last post, Sr. Lorraine, flagged up a good point which I thought would be worth posting on the main part of the blog:

Sr. Lorraine:

Emmett, thanks for your fascinating commentary. I'm very interested in this. One question is about the time frame. If the next pope is indeed the last pope, and has a short reign (?), it would seem there would not be enough time for all the other things in Catholic prophecy to happen. I read Desmond Birch's book and he has an interesting timeline. This would include the Great Monarch, etc...


Hi Sr. Lorraine,

You're right. I keep meaning to mention this. If the next pope is another elderly pontiff, I think this would rule him out from being the last pope, since a lot still has to happen. The era of peace/Second Pentecost promised by Our Lady of Fatima still has to happen. Once the Faith is rekindled in Europe, then a lot of prophecies (including the Church approved portion of La Salette) suggest that the Angelic Pope will anoint a new Holy Roman Emperor - the Great Monarch. Most of these prophecies point to the monarchy being restored in France, which isn't altogether implausible if the Eldest Daughter of the Church once again embraced the Faith.
Then according to the Church approved version of La Salette again (which was only published in 2002, and thus not available to Birch), there would be another falling away afterwards at the coming of the Antichrist. Maximin Giraud stated that the following events would begin to happen around the year 2000:

"France has corrupted the universe, one day it will be punished. The faith will die out in France: three quarters of France will not practice religion anymore, or almost no more, the other part will practice it without really practicing it. Then, after [that], nations will convert, the faith will be rekindled everywhere. A great country, now Protestant, in the north of Europe, will be converted; by the support of this country all the other nations of the world will be converted.
Before all that arrives, great disorders will arrive, in the Church, and everywhere. Then, after [that], our Holy Father the Pope will be persecuted. His successor will be a pontiff that nobody expects.
Then, after [that], a great peace will come, but it will not last a long time. A monster will come to disturb it."

According to Bl. Elizabeth Canori-Mora, Benedict XVI could be the pope who is "persecuted" - the one surrounded by wolves seeking to drag him from his throne. The next pope then could be the one no one expects. Maximin states that the peace will not last a long time however before the coming of the Antichrist.
Melanie's secret says much the same thing:

"After all these calamities have arrived, many will recognize the hand of God on them. They will convert, and do penance for their sins.
A great king will go up on the throne, and will reign many years. Religion will re-flourish and spread all over the world, and there will be a great abundance. The world, glad to be lacking nothing, will fall again into disorder, will give up God, and will return to its criminal passions.
[Among] God's ministers, and the Spouses of Jesus-Christ, there will be some who will go astray, and that will be the most terrible."

So if we have a young pope (say his late fifties to early sixties), I'd say all this could take place over a 20-30 year period, and he could thus possibly be the last pope. But if we have an elderly pope, all this is a lot less likely to happen in (for talk's sake) another 8 year pontificate. So there would likely be another (indefinite) amount of popes after this, and St. Malachy's list of popes can be ruled out definitively.
It can all be very difficult to get to grips with, but we'll know better in a few weeks when the new pope takes the helm.
Also Birch's work contains many spurious prophecies of untraceable origin, which might mix things up a bit. He bases most of his research on Yves Dupont and Fr. Gerard Cullerton's books, which also don't cite original sources. Many of the Great Monarch prophecies he cites are also contradictory, for example. So it's best to work with private revelations of the highest level of approval, and discard any spurious prophecies that don't add up.

(See the full text of the Church-approved 1851 text of the messages of La Salette here).


elena maria vidal said...

Thank you for the link, Emmett.

Emmett O'Regan said...

No problem! Thanks for sharing your research with us!

Sr. Marianne Lorraine Trouve said...

Thank you very much, Emmet, for the clarification. Also the note about Birch's sources. The time line makes more sense to me now.

I had a thought that might seem strange but it is this: what if the next Pope is a cardinal from an Eastern rite? I'm thinking of the newly-created Cardinal Bechara Boutros al-Rahi.
Someone told me that Bechara means blessed, and Boutros means Peter--a name all Maronite patriarchs take because they are in the see of Antioch, where Peter was--before he went to Rome! And al-Rahi means shepherd. So his name means the good news of the shepherd Peter! Could that just be a coincidence? Also, it seems to connect to the prophecy of Tomassuccio--"beyond the mountains"--Lebanon?

And it mentions the schism, the great schism is between East and West. Imagine that, if a pope from the East would begin the process of healing that schism. Its thousandth year anniversary is coming up in about 40 years (2054).

Thank you for all your fine analysis here. I am fascinated by it. But most of all I am praying for Pope Benedict and the new Pope, whoever he may turn out to be.

Emmett O'Regan said...

I think that a Pope from the Eastern Rite could make great strides towards healing the Great Schism. I'm working on a post about this now at the minute. God seems to be communicating that the healing of the Great Schism should be a priority, with the lightning strike on St. Peter's hours after the Holy Father announced his abdication.
Another lightning strike on St. Peter's Basilica has occurred in recent times - on the Feast of Ss. Peter and Paul, June 29th, 1995 - the exact feast day mentioned by Bl. Elizabeth Canori Mora concerning her vision of St. Peter descending from heaven!
The lightning strike took place during a meeting between Pope John Paul II and the Greek Othrodox Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople.
The title of the Holy Father's homily was "We cannot remain separated":

"Patriarch Bartholomew [had] asked Christians to pray and fast to oppose the power of the Devil and to drive out demons. At that exact moment, all the faithful were startled by a lightning bolt which struck the basilica, followed by a violent summer storm."

Sr. Marianne Lorraine Trouve said...

That's amazing, Emmet, I did not know about that!
Two brief points:
1. If the Malachy prophecy is authentic, and the next Pope is Peter the Roman and helps bring unity between East and West, then maybe the list of popes ends with him because it is the end of the era of disunion. A new era would begin, the era of union of East and West.

2. About the signs in the sky, the year of the great schism, 1054, was also the year of the biggest supernova ever observed: SN 1054, which was visible for about 2 years and resulted in the Crab Nebula. Now, astronomers are predicting that comet Ison, which will become visible late this year, may be one of the brightest ever seen, as bright as the moon. So I don't know if these are the "signs in the sky," but it certainly is remarkable!

Laura in AZ said...

All I can say is Wow! Thanks for all these wonderful posts and information Emmett. So much to ponder.

Emmett O'Regan said...

I knew about the supernova in 1054, but I forgot all about it until you mentioned it. It will have to be included. Also the Russian meteor strike on 15th Feb echoes the Tunguska event - which I argue symbolised the opening of the abyss at the start of the 100 years of Satan's greater power, after Pope Leo XIII's consecration of the world to the Sacred Heart of Jesus in 1899:

I argue that Pope John Paul II's act of entrustment marked the end of the "little while" given to Satan. So the 2013 Russian meteor strike would parallel Tunguska, and signal Satan being thrown down from Heaven in Rev 12, after his period of greater power.
The following posts are all connected to this:

Jason said...


Interesting post especially in light of the fact that B16 made decision to resign in 2012 after trip to Cuba and Mexico (See NYTimes article below). The year 2012 fits in nicely with the timeline.

Sr. Marianne Lorraine Trouve said...

Thank you, Emmett, for all of your fine work here. I'm glad I found your blog!

I reread the post about John Paul, the millennium, and the triumph of Mary.
I'm not sure but this might be a connection, too. In 1995 he wrote a document called Orientale Lumen (light of the East). If the next pope is from the East, this would be even more significant. John Paul toward the end mentions Mary and the third millennium:

"Mary, "Mother of the star that never sets,"(67) "dawn of the mystical day,"(68) "rising of the sun of glory,"(69) shows us the Orientale Lumen.
Every day in the East the sun of hope rises again, the light that restores life to the human race. It is from the East, according to a lovely image, that our Savior will come again (cf. Mt 24:27).
For us, the men and women of the East are a symbol of the Lord who comes again.... Now that the millennium is drawing to a close and our gaze turns to the rising Sun, with gratitude we find these men and women before our eyes and in our heart.... May God shorten the time and distance. May Christ, the Orientale Lumen, soon, very soon, grant us to discover that in fact, despite so many centuries of distance, we were very close, because together -- perhaps without knowing it -- we were walking towards the one Lord, and thus towards one another.
May the people of the third millennium be able to enjoy this discovery, finally achieved by a word that is harmonious and thus fully credible, proclaimed by brothers and sisters who love one another and thank one another for the riches which they exchange. Thus shall we offer ourselves to God with the pure hands of reconciliation, and the people of the world will have one more well - founded reason to believe and to hope.

Anonymous said...

This is a repost as I commented incorrectly on your previous post.(sorry!)
I would like to take a step back for a moment and comment about the symbolism of Pope Benedict retiring to a monastery in the Vatican Gardens. I've personally meditated about what the 'glory" of the olive actaully is. My own interpretation is that the "glory' of the olive is oil..chrism..sweet annointing. But, in order to get to that oil it has to be crushed. I was stunned to click on this link posted a few days ago in your comment section about Taylor Marshal's blog entry and his reflection on Pope Benedict. He confirmed what I have been thinking for a few days:

The symbolism of the pope retiring to the garden stirs up images of Christ going to the Garden of Gethsemane which means the Garden of the Olive Press.. Is is not possible that Pope Benedict could still be a martyr pope? The reason I say this is that the prophecies I've read from Dupont's book all tell of revolution and wars and the destruction of Rome and the death of the Pontiff. From what I've read this seems to all happen BEFORE the "angelic pastor" or "Peter the Roman" comes on the scene. I say this because of the prophecies listed in his book that tell of the Church being without a pope for quite awhile...a few years in fact.

John of Vatiguerro:
"The Pope will change his residence and the Church will not be defended for twenty-five months or more because, during that time, there will be no Pope in Rome...but...after many tribulations a Pope shall be elected out of those who survive the persecutions. By his sanctity he will reform the clergy...."


John of the Cleft Rock:
"The Pope with his cardinals will have to flee Rome in tragic circumstances to a place where they will be unknown. The Pope will die a cruel death in his exile."

Nicholas of Fluh:
The Church will seem to be extinguished and the succession of Peter and the other Apostles to have expired. But, after this she will be victoriously exalted in the sight of all doubters.

Dupont also writes in his book that "According to many prophecies the Church will be without a Pope for some time, and most of the hierarchy will have been destroyed.But she will miraculously rise again and be more powerful than ever."

So, what I'm ultimately getting at is this. Would it be too bizarre to speculate that Benedict as one who has been betrayed by so many in his pontifical office, is the symbolic Christ of the Agony in the Garden who will be led away and utlimately die and , just as the apostles fled to the upper room when all seemed hopeless for awhile (three days) the Church of this time period will repeat her fledgling beginning and will also be in hiding until the new Pope will emerge to bring on Her ultimate triumph?

This is just my speculation and since you are more knowledgeable about the validity of prophecies perhaps the ones I've mentioned don't carry as much weight or are not confirmed as authentic. I would appreciate your comment on this.

MP said...

"God seems to be communicating that the healing of the Great Schism should be a priority, with the lightning strike on St. Peter's hours after the Holy Father announced his abdication"

Just curious how a lightning strike means that God wants to heal the schism?

elena maria vidal said...

All the comments are so interesting. Thank you for a great discussion! According to Father Thibaut,the Last Pope on St. Malachy's List is "The Glory of the Olive" because "Peter the Roman" is not an individual but symbolizes all the Popes, past, present and future.

joerusso777 said...

Elena, very interesting indeed. My thought for a while has been that once Benedict XVI was finished (We now Know abdicated, which only enhances the prophetic pulse of all this) it was to symbolize the end of a 2000 year era, and usher in a new era in the Church.

I've thought it could be possible Peter the Roman would be the last Pope, but also could be looked at as ushering in the new Spring Time (Era of Peace)

Either way though the time Church and the world from now until then will go through tremendous Tribulations to get there. I recall JPII saying something about this,

We are now standing in the face of the greatest historical confrontation humanity has gone through. I do not think that wide circles of the American society or wide circles of the Christian community realize this fully. We are now facing the final confrontation between the Church and the anti-Church, of the Gospel and the anti-Gospel. This confrontation lies within the plans of divine providence. It is a trial which the whole Church… must take up. —Cardinal Karol Wojtyla (JOHN PAUL II), reprinted November 9, 1978, issue of The Wall Street Journal from a 1976 speech to the American Bishops

He also said (paraphrase)
The Church would basicly come into her Glory by blood once again (Sorry didn't have time to look up the source)
I read the quote on Mark Malletts site but can't find it right now.

So I think that in closing there is the possibility of more Popes than just 1 more since I see it as a turning point in the history of the Church.

Emmett what are your thoughts on this?

joerusso777 said...

I read this last night also on Spirit Daily it's an article from Inside the Vatican Magazine. Very intersting stuff concerning the struggles within. Reminds me of Akita...

elena maria vidal said...

I agree, Joe.

Emmett O'Regan said...

Thanks for pointing Orientale Lumen out to me Sr. Lorraine. I would have looked over it otherwise.

Hi MP,

See my most recent post for details on the significance of the lightning strike and the prophecies of Bl. Elizabeth Canori-Mora:

Hi Joe,

I certainly hope there will be more than just one more pope. There's just something about the Third Secret though, it could suggest there may come a time when we won't have a pope to guide us.
If there is an extreme persecution of the Church under the Antichrist, there may come a time when the Church won't be able to keep a visible structure.
The Catechism teaches that the Church will only be able to enter its final glory through its own Golgotha:

"The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection." (CCC 677)

The Way of Christ is the way of the Cross, and there will come a time when the Church will have to take up this Cross and follow the path of Our Lord. I think this is why the Second Pentecost must take place first - to strenghen us for what is to come.
The internal struggles remind me of Akita also.

Anonymous said...

Sr. Lorraine,

This article states 3 comets in 2013. This could be a great harbinger of things to come.

This one says an awesome event this year in the galaxy will occur.


Emmett O'Regan said...

Hi Rose,

The agony in the garden is a good comparision. I definitely think that Pope Benedict XVI has suffered terribly. So far it has been a dry martyrdom, but a martyrdom nonetheless. And who knows what the future holds for him? I keep thinking of St. John Bosco's dream of the Two Pillars.
Those prophecies are open to question - i.e. they are unsourced.
I think the next papal conclave, guided by the Holy Spirit, will elect a very holy pope, who will guide us out of this time of spiritual darkness.

Anonymous said...

This is all pretty much nonsense. Don't be led astray! If I hear that whoever is elected as pope is Peter the Roman because he watched Rocky in Italian once in high school, you will have no credibility with me.

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