Tuesday 20 March 2018

Our Lady of Mount Carmel in Puerto Rico

The following blog post was written by Carlos Caso-Rosendi, who is one of the most knowledgeable writers out there on the subject of Catholic eschatology:

TRANSLATOR’S NOTE: The following is an account of the events surrounding an alleged apparition of Our Blessed Mother in Puerto Rico. Should these events be approved by the Church as worthy of belief, that would be the only continuous apparition of Our Lady ever, lasting from 1899 until 1909, beginning shortly after the end of the Spanish American War of 1898. The events described below took place in an isolated mountainous area in Puerto Rico at a time when communications to and from the island were few. Carlos Caso-Rosendi

The Holy Mountain (Santa Montaña), altitude: 2,226 ft above sea level, in the Espino neighborhood of the Municipality of San Lorenzo, is a locality near where the municipalities of San Lorenzo, Patillas and Cayey meet. This mountainous region is located within a natural reserve—the Carite Forest—which consists of about 6,400 acres of tropical rain forest that are part of the Sierra of Cayey.  As of 1954 and by mandate of the government of Puerto Rico—for all official purposes, including cartography—Cerro Las Peñas (The Stones Hill) was named Cerro de Nuestra Madre (Our Mother’s Hill).

The Our Lady of Mt Carmel Diocesan Sanctuary, is located at the top of La Santa Montaña in Puerto Rico. It was built and dedicated in 1985 by the bishop emeritus of the Diocese of Caguas, Monsignor Enrique Hernández Rivera. The story of La Santa Montaña begins on August 8, 1899, when the atmospheric phenomenon known as Hurricane San Ciriaco left the island after crossing it diagonally leaving 3,369 dead and hundreds of thousands  homeless. The losses were estimated by the government at the time in US$35.8 million.
Read the rest at the below link:


Carlos Caso-Rosendi said...

Thank you for posting the article, Emmett. The original article was written by Mrs Vionette G. Negretti from Puerto Rico. It is a very detailed article providing not only a complete account of the events but also plenty of legal documentation. I took the liberty to cut short some of the legal text by providing a link to the Spanish original instead. I also included a list of brief prophetic statements made my Mother. Those come from a book by Fr Jaime Reyes, O.P who conducted the first official investigation on the events at Montaña Santa, and was the first rector of the Sanctuary of Our Lady of Mt Carmel in that location. I feel a Puerto Rico vacation coming soon! :-)

Carlos Caso_Rosendi said...

I meant to write "Our Mother" --- She is "my Mother" also but I don't want to be selfish and keep her all to myself! :D

Sr. Marianne Lorraine Trouve said...

Thank you, Emmett, for posting this info.
Also, you had previously said you are intersted in Our Lady of Zaro. Here is a link to the latest messages. The part about Italy breaking in two -- could it be symbolic of a schism?

JMC said...

The list of prophecies in itself is interesting, especially the ones marked in red, which have come to pass. The very last one has piqued my interest, though: "Sunday and Christmas Eve will be the end of times. Remain in prayer." To me, this suggests that she is speaking of a Christmas Eve that falls on a Sunday, further suggesting that Our Lord will return on a Monday Christmas. How appropriate that He should return on the very day He was born!
The other statement Elenita made that caught my attention was the one about families eating together that they might stay together. In the 1980s, I read an article about some research that had been done on adults who had been abused as children and how well they had adjusted afterward. Those who had adjusted well and actually avoided the usual "cycle of abuse" had several things in common occurring curing the years of abuse, one of which was a family that ate together at meals. It didn't even matter what the atmosphere at the table was; the simple fact that they gathered as a family to eat, even if only for one meal each day, was enough. The other interesting thing was that, no matter how dysfunctional such families were, they did indeed STAY TOGETHER. The parents didn't divorce; the children didn't end up with divided custody.
A few that haven't yet come to pass are a little troubling, because we can see the signs of them already. Families will disappear; women will walk around naked (nude beaches began to crop up in the 1960s; for now actual nudity is still confined to beaches, but considering the things some women are wearing in public, they might as well be naked).
Of particular concern for me, as a farmer, is the statement, "No one will want to work the land." I see evidence of this around me everywhere in my farm community. The owner of a farm dies; the heirs immediately sell the land, usually to a developer who turns it into a housing development or a shopping center.
"Blessed those who have their mind by 60." Consider the evidence of rising incidence of mental illness all around us. Mass shootings not related to terrorism. The climbing suicide rate. 'Way back in 1962, when I was in second grade in a Catholic school, a science lesson briefly covered mental illness; I remember it because of a statement on the lesson sheet that a firm faith in and reliance on God could help one avoid such illness. Of course, we now know it's not that simple; many people of deep faith fall victim to mental illness. But the milder forms, such as those related to stress rather than any chemical imbalance in the body, can indeed be controlled once one learns to "let go and let God," as the clichéd advice goes.
I could keep going, but I think I've already beaten that dead horse long enough. ;D
God bless.

Bridget said...

Wow, this is a lot to chew on! Thanks for sharing! Emmett and Carlos, so what do you guys think? Does it sound legit and worthy of belief? A few things sounded odd to me...not “red flags” I guess but sort of strange! Mary “disappearing” and showing up at a far away house, being carried in a hammock and riding horseback, needing alone time, and the “death” and shedding of blood in general. Kind of weird, right?

But did you catch the connection with the Great American Solar Eclipse last year? Before her departure, it said her “final confinement” started on August 21st and lasted 40 days. Interesting!

When I read the prophecy that said when men talk to each other without seeing each other, the end will be near, I immediately thought of texting and social media.

Does any one know the state of the apparition site after Hurricane Maria? I assume it was spared from damage.

Carlos Caso-Rosendi said...

Bridget: I have the same reservations that you mention. After thinking a lot about my reservations, I noticed certain similarities with the apparitions in Guadalupe (Spain) where there were certain things buried and also miraculously found by instruction of Our Lady many centuries later. The time alone seems similar to the times when Christ wanted to be left alone, also for 40 days. Then there's the case when Our Lord was taken to the edge of a cliff and he somehow managed to be freed from a mob and disappeared. That is kind of hard to do on foot without some kind of supernatural help. The analysis of the blood is also very important. It reminds me of the high tech analysis of the Shroud of Turin and the Tilma of Guadalupe that keep revealing things centuries after the events in Calvary and Mexico. What really tips the scale in favor of belief is ... the original Bishop believed but was prevented from making a formal declaration. I have to research that further but we know the Masonic sect is strong in Puerto Rico and one could surmise they had something to do with that. One more thought: the island appears to be in the receiving end of some punishment for ignoring and denying the events of Montaña Santa: hurricane Isabel causing the landslide and flooding of the town of Mameyes (near Ponce, Puerto Rico) on October 7, 1985 (on the day of Our Lady of the Rosary; and the devastation brought by hurricane Maria on September 16, 2017 to October 3, 2017 that practically destroyed the whole economy of PR. Those events remind me of the various destructive events that befell Jerusalem after Jesus was rejected. Finally, a question: every apparition of Our Lady has a purpose, she does not stop by to merely say hello. This apparition seems to be a model of how humanity will have to organize and live in the Age of Peace to come. The people that Mary chose to visit are perhaps the most peaceful and docile people in the whole world at that time. They were the right group to represent in a scale model, what Mary is going to do to heal the whole world. I plan to continue investigating the events at Montaña Santa. It looks like we have plenty to learn from this extraordinary visit.

Carlos Caso-Rosendi said...

One more detail: the blood sample of an individual of such antiquity cannot be falsified. If anyone had the scientific wherewithal to do such thing, that person could make billions with that knowledge. It goes without saying that the man who was instructed to unearth the flasks, and later allowed the scientists to do the DNA analysis, is a simple man like Juan Diego or Gil Cordero. The blood that does not dry, and the ancient DNA structure are not falsifiable items. There is still the possibility of a conspiracy but it should be a huge conspiracy lasting longer than 100 years ... how? for what purpose?

Mark W said...

This all got me thinking. I’m going to post these as a few different comments, I think.

Mark W said...

The following should be in red as already having happened, but do not appear in red in the text.

38. Women will vote in elections. - since 1920

47. There will be businesses one on top of another. – office buildings, shopping malls.

48. There will be plenty of food. - relative to other times in history.

52. There more light there is, the darker it will be. – It’s been darkening since the beginning of the enlightenment.

56. Men will walk up in the air. – and in outer space.

57. Men will travel in carts without oxen and on headless horses. – automobiles? They were not common at that time.

58. When men talk to each other without seeing each other, the end will be near. – telephones, texting, cell phones?

59. There will be too much clothing. – many people have far more than they really need in their closets.

60. Hospitals will be so full, that they will give poison to patients as medicine. – happening in England and Holland.

63. There will be no respect.

65. There will be a war in which they will toss children to make them fall on bayonets. – I think I heard that ISIS did this, but I’m not sure.

68. Women will chase after men.

69. Women will dress like men.

70. Women will walk around naked. – San Francisco no longer arrests for this.

71. Men will die like animals. - Auschwitz, et al.

73. Governments will not agree with each other. – since the dawn of governments, really.

77. When you see people moving like ants not settling anywhere, be prepared because the arrival of Christ is near. – we already move to follow jobs as I've faced personally for the past two years.

Mark W said...

And the following made me think of Cumbre Vieja and the mega tsunami. These give the image of blue, sinking, and the mountain falling could be a point of view given the sudden rise of the sea around it. The mountains of central Puerto Rico would survive the mega tsunami while the surrounding countryside is submerged. This particular mountain would survive by >1000 feet, based on the worst case scenario size of the wave.

15. At the end of time the Mountain will be dressed in blue. Some will try to reach it but they won’t be able.

13. If Puerto Rico were to sink, the Mountain will not sink.

2.The Mountain will fall, but it will rise again with more strength.

5. When I leave, the Mountain will fall, but eventually it will blossom like a rose.

When the wave hits, electricity is cut and people flee for the highlands.
4. When I am gone the Mountain will go back into darkness, but eventually people will climb up the Mountain like ants.

Fresh water might be made scarce by sea water flooding the land and salting the existing water system. The spring on the mountain would sustain those that could reach it in a miraculous manner.
10. Water will be scarce, but the Spring of the Mountain will always have its balm. When water dries up in other places, there would be no lack of it in the Mountain.

80. Three days before the Judgment, water will be denied; it will be heard but not seen.

A little town could come into existence in very short order after a major flood of the low-lying areas around the mountain.
11. The Mountain will have a village and people will come from everywhere to the Little Town of Dawn.

29. The Little Town of Dawn (el Pueblecito de la Aurora) will grow here.

30. The Little Town of Dawn will come in about 80 years.

31. The Little Town will be as far from the Great Day as the mouth is from the nose.

Scavengers would come for the fallen
16. At the end of time the crows will return to the mountain.

Flooding has been known to cause fires in towns as the waters recede.
55. Arroyo and Guayama will burn.

Displaced families as a result of the sudden flood.
64. There will be neither parents for children nor children for parents.

Carlos Caso-Rosendi said...

I forgot to mention this excellent point by Bridget:

"...did you catch the connection with the Great American Solar Eclipse last year? Before her departure, it said her “final confinement” started on August 21st and lasted 40 days."

I had not noticed that. Good catch!

Carlos Caso-Rosendi said...

I just noticed these details, following what Bridget pointed at: the 21-AUG-1909

21-AUG-1909 + 40 days = 29-SEP-1909 Feast of St Michael. That year there is a coincidence of the Feast of St Michael with the Hebrew calendar day 15 Tishri, start of the Feast of the Tabernacles. There is more in this apparition than is apparent to the eye.

I apologize for hogging the comments! :o)

Thomas said...

I already see signs of communism rising. My theory is because of the massive inequality (less than 20 people own half the world’s wealth), economic troubles and general godlessness people will rise up in envy and take by violent force whatever they want. Most of the world will become like Venezuela. And Christianity will be outlawed and Christians put to death.

Anonymous said...

I had noticed the coincidence of the Feast of Tabernacles during St. Michael's Lent last year and wondered if there was some eschatological significance.

Carlos Caso-Rosendi said...

The feast of Tabernacles was celebrated first after crossing the Jordan into the Promised Land, and it was meant to remind Israel of the 40 years wandering in the desert. That is suggestive of the entrance in the Age of Peace. Elenita orders a "tabernacle" built first. Perhaps her whole stay in PR is a model in the same manner that Sukkot/Tabernacles is a model. I think we all have to pray and meditate a lot in the events of the Holy Mountain. I already see connections to Guadalupe, Aparecida, La Salette, Fatima, Akita, and Lourdes. I don't mean to turn this comment into a commercial but I think I touched on some of those connections unwittingly in my book: Guadalupe a River of Light but it would be too long to comment on them here. I may have to study this in depth and write yet another book. See link below if you are interested. :o)


Thomas said...

Concerning the destruction of the family, here is something that I read a few months:


When you think about it,even spiritually speaking the purpose of life is family. The Holy Trinity wants to bring us human beings into it’s family life.

JMC said...

Considering the fact that the family is a reflection of the Holy Trinity in the first place, that simple statement of yours, Thomas, is a lot to meditate on.
While I was aware of the Akita apparitions, I was not aware of the fact that they were still ongoing - at least, that's the impression I got from that Spirit Daily article.

Thomas said...

I don't think that they're ongoing, but simply the experiences of pilgrims going there.

I do believe that someday everything that Mother Mary has said will come true.

chris said...

The Further Division Coming in the Catholic Church
by TED FLYNN | MARCH 22, 2018


At the moment we are seeing a full-scale war over the direction of the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church. The pull and tug of those involved in the battle is what surely went on during the Reformation, as well as Vatican II. Make no bones about it, behind the scenes and often in stealth, there are those looking to aggressively change what has been taught for 2,000 years.

It has now been five years since March 13, 2013 when Pope Francis assumed his position as the Vicar of Christ on earth, and the changes to the church under his pontificate have been profound. The Reformation produced incalculable changes in the church and the world, and news traveled slowly because of the times in which they lived. When Martin Luther posted his ninety-five theses on a door for all to see in 1517, changes over time came to the church few could imagine. With Vatican II from 1962-65, we saw a further delineation and separation of thought with the New Order of the Mass (Novus Ordo) and a different doctrine emerging from previous ages...............................

chris said...


here is the audio from the people who made the fatima movie , vatican deception


chris said...


This was completely omitted from the letter. Link contains Benedict's precise, incisive words revealing a healthy, potent intellect at age 90.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for that one, Chris. I'd heard a paragraph had been omitted from the letter and had been trying to find the complete letter, which the MSM so far has not published.

chris said...

Your welcome.

It really has become difficult to trust any reported news from today's news sources.

Anonymous said...

Fr. Hesse on the Third Secret of Fatima



chris said...

non political-- nose in your face observation

he will become a SUPREME COURT JUSTICE--mark this down for future reference

Hogg with Valarie Jarrett. this picture says everything you need to know on who is hiding in the shadows with this kid. dont fool yourselves into thinking its actually an organic rally of ideas. money and power pull those strings


chris said...

that's SHE wil become

Mark W said...

Emmett - do you suspect we're close to something big happening? The rather sudden increase in UFO sightings, as well as a few other odd things, and I'm beginning to wonder if there's not a major push on by the forces of darkness to confuse mankind just a wee bit more.

JMC said...

I hadn't heard about a sudden increase in UFO sightings, but I have been seeing more and more articles about the possibility of finding intelligent life on other planets. My guess is that the two are probably related...

Emmett O'Regan said...

My short term view remains positive, Mark. I still think we are on the cusp of the restoration of the Church. I am convinced that the world was spared from nuclear war once again during the North Korean nuclear crisis, which is tied to the vision of Our Lady quenching the flames of the angel's sword. The renovatio mundi is the main prophetic event that has to take place at the end of the period of Satan's unbinding. Haven't heard of any spike in UFO activity, but I would usually attribute this to either weird natural phenomena such as ball lightning, or preternatural sources (or a mixture of both). I think confusion will always exist, since evil will never be removed from the earth until after the new creation. But I would agree that we are in very confusing times.

chris said...


excellent source of calming info

Anonymous said...

I used to believe there were intelligent extraterrestrials out there. Since then, I have read something that has convinced me otherwise. I don't remember where I read it or who wrote it - for all I remember, it may even have been Emmett or someone else here at this site. Anyway, the statement went that all those stars and planets in space were all put there as part of the environment necessary for us, on this one little planet on the edge of one little galaxy, to survive. At one time in my life, my cousin and I got into salt-water aquariums. The amount of work involved before you even got the fish was unbelievable, because you had to get the environment in that tank just right before you could put the fish in and expect them to live. Little things that you wouldn't expect had a HUGE effect on that micro-environment. So think about it. All those billions and billions of stars and planets, each star emitting its radiation, each physical body exerting its gravitational force. Yes, according to all the physical laws that we know, they're all too far away to have any real effect on us, but the key words here are "that we know." There are probably a fair few such laws we haven't discovered yet.
Or, as one of the major Catholic apologists of today has pointed out, maybe it was all simply meant to make our environment beautiful - one argument no atheist has ever been able to answer so far: If it all happened by "random" natural selection, then why is it all beautiful? All I know is, every time I look at the stars, I want to burst out singing "How Great Thou Art," and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Of course, this still doesn't solve the mystery of the UFOs, what they are or where they come from. Back in the '50s and '60s, the usual explanation - to the point that to this day it's a running joke in the US - was hallucinations due to swamp gas, because at that time most of them were seen in swamps. I believe it was Mark W. who first suggested that, especially in light of the "alien abduction" stories, it might be some kind of demonic manifestation, and Emmett agreed that many aspects of those stories did seem to fit that explanation. To be perfectly honest, I now think it's the only explanation that actually makes sense.

Anonymous said...

I'm with Anonymous. As a youth, following a well documented last recordings of and disappearance of George Valentich in his small aircraft over Bass Straight near Tasmania, I took an interest in unexplained phenomena and in particular, anything to do with UFOs and their occupants. Anything I could read that shone a light on the subject only deepened the mystery and drew me towards other phenomena verging on the occult. Now I did keep most of this at arms length but my mind was foolishly and perpetually open to any perceived truth despite a catholic upbringing and education (I now understand that by that time, catholic education was in name only). I still believed in God and had a rudimentary understanding of our faith but I still left room for the 'unexplained' as science would eventually explain these things. Fast forward to a few years ago, when the internet was a vast resource of information, I stumbled upon a Youtuber who made so much sense with his claim that aliens were in fact demons and in times past would have presented as goblins and the like. This changed everything for me. It was an epiphany that changed my whole resolve. I now see the whole subject as a temptation and a lie and I thank God for revealing this. I see this lie as an underestimated force permeating western culture and a doorway drawing multitudes away from God.
Michael G

JMC said...

Agreed, Michael G. For me, too, the whole UFO thing was a gateway into the occult. It didn't help that my grandmother and several members of my extended family quite frequently had apparently prophetic dreams - they were usually of the type that warned of accidents, and a couple of relatives' lives were actually saved by those warnings. All of this combined to lead me into a ten-year foray into the New Age movement, a foray that even the priests and nuns of my parish at the time were fully in support of! The first three or four years of my religious education took place before Vatican II, but after that it was pretty much nonexistent, even though I went to a Catholic school. So I had no inkling that the "spirit of Vatican II" was something to shun.
I credit a combination of human and divine factors with pulling me out of that mess. The primary human factor was a lecture by Father John O'Connor, the first indication I'd ever heard that "something was rotten in Denmark." I did some serious research and fact-checking (this was back in the early 1990s, during a period when Father O'Connor's silence was lifted), and before long I realized I had been gravely misled.

Anonymous said...

I have had a continual yearning for the elusive truth over the years and our local parishes did not offer much in the way of substance. On having moved to a conservative and orthodox diocese through difficult trials, all I seek is available. I have learnt a great deal in a short time and can see more clearly, the traps of the UFO diabolical disorientation.
Thank God for the gift of faith that persisted long enough to see that I was on the wrong path.
Have a happy and holy Easter.
Michael G

chris said...

There was a page on the CIA web site that had pictures of MODELs of spaceships that they had made. All of them resembled pictures of models that had been reported as UFO's. This had been scrubbed from the site. I used to have a copy of the site but lost it when i changed computer.
I believe this will be a factor in the great deception to come.

Do ant research on Project Blue beam and you will see how advanced "illusion" has advanced.

chris said...

see above post


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Founded 1945 - Defunct 1962 - Location Toronto, Canada

In 1952, Avro Aircraft Ltd., a Canadian firm located at Malton near Toronto, began to develop a unique, supersonic fighter-bomber aircraft that could takeoff and land vertically, cruise at low altitudes on a cushion of air (also called ground effect) or accelerate to high speeds at higher altitudes.

The concept looked promising and the Canadian government agreed to fund the study. However, the contract expired before the study could be completed and the government abandoned the project as too costly.

Work had progressed far enough to interest the Americans.

In July 1954, the U. S. government awarded Avro two contracts worth nearly $2 million to continue the study, and Avro added another $2.5 million.

The program remained in Canada but was now owned and controlled by the United States. ........................................

chris said...

C.I.A. Admits Government Lied About U.F.O. Sightings



Nice way to cover their...................

chris said...

Also, have you given any thought to the promotion of " climate change and global warming " to be the cover of weather manipulation. This provides a reason to the gullible populace for changes in nature. Clouds and weather formations of unique characteristics are not even questioned by us.

There are records of President Kennedy in 1961 speaking of weaponising weather.
We can't imagine the advancement of their ability today by mant country.

JMC said...

Our Lady of Fatima did warn that disasters would take place that were caused neither by God or nature. That leaves man. The idea of weaponizing weather was old hat in sci-fi novels long before JFK spoke about it.

Mark W said...


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Anonymous said...

This is the sixth time the pope has used this journalist, and not the first time that the pope has said something openly heretical that the Vatican walked back that later *turned out to be true*.

I am expecting an imminent global nuclear war.

Anonymous said...

This falls within the realm of theological speculation, not doctrinal declaration. And it has a deep tradition, within theology. Gehenna, after all, is a place of total destruction. The speculative theology of the destruction of souls is in no way new.

I just knew this blog would sadly go all nuts over that. We'll believe ufo's are driving around with demons inside but we can't take a breath and learn the historicity of the speculative theology behind papal musings.

Mark W said...

"This falls within the realm of theological speculation, not doctrinal declaration."

Amen brother.

"I just knew this blog would sadly go all nuts over that."

Please define how this blog has gone nuts over this? It's as you said, papal speculation. The secular media seems to have gone nuts, but that's about the only thing I've seen. It is, to say the very least, an ill considered remark.

What would you suggest? Ignore it?

Inquiring Mind said...

A 9-ton Chinese out of control Chinese spacecraft is about to reenter Earth's atmosphere on Good Friday. The Chinese Space Station is called Heavenly House (or something very similar). Pieces of it may land between California and New York... mmm... do we have something more substantial than UFO's here?

chris said...

Who is the magisterium that can be followed?????????????

Our Lady then explained to the children, "You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go."

he Secret:

The First Part

The Secret imparted to the three shepherd children at Fatima on July 13, 1917 had three parts. The first part was fully revealed in Sr. Lucy’s Third and Fourth Memoirs, written at the command of her bishop, in 1941. This first part of the Secret of Fatima describes what Lucy, Jacinta and Francisco saw on that day. We quote from Sister Lucy’s memoirs:

She [Our Lady of Fatima] opened Her hands once more, as She had done during the two previous months. The rays of light seemed to penetrate the earth, and we saw as it were a sea of fire. Plunged in this fire were demons and souls [of the damned] in human form, like transparent burning embers, all blackened or burnished bronze, floating about in the conflagration, now raised into the air by the flames that issued from within themselves together with great clouds of smoke, now falling back on every side like sparks in huge fires, without weight or equilibrium, amid shrieks and groans of pain and despair, which horrified us and made us tremble with fear. (It must have been this sight which caused me to cry out, as people say they heard me). The demons could be distinguished [from the souls of the damned] by their terrifying and repellent likeness to frightful and unknown animals, black and transparent like burning coals.1 This vision lasted but an instant. How can we ever be grateful enough to our kind heavenly Mother, Who had already prepared us by promising, in the first apparition, to take us to Heaven. Otherwise, I think we would have died of fear and terror.2
Our Lady then explained to the children, "You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go."

Anonymous said...

Yes, but if Our Lady of Fatima said that the Church of Rome apostasieses in the third secret, we are in a pickle, aren’t we? It is Catholic dogma that the Church of Rom can NEVER lost the faith. Any other diocese can. So if she meant that, Catholicism is false. But if Catholicism is false why believe Fatima is not spiritual deception? The more radical traditionalists actually do believe that the Church of Rome defected at Vatican II. To get away from being logically lead to that position, they come up with ideas like a good Catholic can resist the pope and call it “ultramonism” to accept his supreme authority over the Church on Earth, including over discipline and law. It is clear that the pope and bishops claim to teach in God’s name. If they really have God’s authority, no one can degenerate them or resist them without also doing it to God Himself. Who hears you, hears me and all that.

I do not think that that interpretation of prophecy is correct, and it is being used to justify a schismatic attitude to Church authority. It entails a logical paradox, for the Church HAS to be visible, and not just in having visible members in Kansas.

chris said...

Well i guess, IF THIS IS TRUE, it is just an opinion, and not a church principle.

I will wait to see if any of this is actually true.

Mark W said...

I suspect this whole thing with the pope's comments is some kind of misdirection. The journalist has an agenda here. And Francis has spoken enough about the devil in the past few years to make an assumption that hell does not exist a bit of a stretch. He undoubtedly said something, the journalist heard something else, and thusly confusion is sown right before Easter.

But the damage seems to be done. We've had two days worth of headlines about how the pope has changed the Church forever. It's abject rubbish, but try explaining that to my Protestant friends.

chris said...

source of Hell story


"THERE IS NO HELL" -- new Francis revelation to atheist journalist just in time for Good Friday

In another informal interview with Italian atheist journalist (and founder of liberal newspaper Repubblica) Eugenio Scalfari, published today, Pope Francis reveals that "hell does not exist".

His exact words below (full interview behind paywall here, most important excerpt below):

Title of the interview: "It is an honor for me to be called revolutionary."

Mark W said...

I saw that, Chris. What I'm saying is that there's more to this than meets the eye.

Bridget said...

Yeah, Mark, I’m with you. The issue seems to be with the journalist. The fact that this was published on Holy Thursday, makes it perfectly clear that Satan is just trying to screw with people’s heads right before Easter. And of course using the internet to spread the confusion like wild fire. I even saw a goofy headline about it on golf digest! Huh? Yeesh!

chris said...

I have come to the point of wondering the veracity of most of what has been reported regarding this man. However the lack of clarity and the failure to issue defined reports and the failure to clarify reports such as this are a concern.. at least to me.

Mark W said...

Yeah, I hear ya Chris. There doesn't seem to be much of a damage control capability around these stories. That leads to a massive collateral damage problem.

chris said...

is this what fatima is warning us about???

The fulfillment of this verse of Scripture will make everyone agree on global warming …
Rev 16: 8 And the fourth for his bowl on the sun; and it was given to him to burn men with fire.
16: 9 And the men were burnt with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, who had authority over these plagues, and did not repent to give him glory.

JMC said...

That verse may also refer to the Akita prophecies, where Our Lady told Sister S. that "fire will fall from the sky," and the faithful will not be spared. The survivors will envy the dead.
The theologians are divided over what this fire will be. Some are relating it to a nuclear war; others are saying that it will be a true supernatural fire. It is said in connection with this that all works of man that are displeasing to God will be destroyed; those that are pleasing to Him will be miraculously preserved.

chris said...

What frightens me is the reporting of all the new missiles Russia is waving to the world.

Anonymous said...

It's highly improbable that the pope denied the existence of hell:


JMC said...

On that whole Hell business...first of all, let me admit I haven't read the news about it. Second of all, if past reporting is anything to go by, once again they've taken one statement out of context so they could put their own spin on it. I've found recently that even the Vatican newspaper isn't always reliable. As Anonymous said above, he was probably actually talking about some theological speculation and not making any declarations or opinions; I would guess he was probably stating just what Anonymous said: that theologians have been speculating on that for ages.